DB: 21 Killed in Mexican Shootout.

[JMS]

My wife grew up in Arizona about 15 miles from the boarder where this occured.. When she lived there she had to endure an hour and a half hour buss trip to school one way. They were about 50 miles removed form the nearest emergency vehicle or law enforcement officer....

She recounts all the illegals who would come to their home in the middle of the desert looking for water.. Which her family provided. The people down there today have it totally different. There are many many more illegals today than their were back in ghe 70's and their is a huge crime element too.

21 Killed In Mexican Shootout


Twenty-one people died and six others were wounded on Thursday in a gun fight between rival drug and trafficking gangs near the Arizona border. The violence took place on a dirt road in a primary avenue for moving drugs and immigrants near Nogales, Mexico. According to the Sonora State Attorney General's Office, police captured nine people at the crime, six of whom had been wounded in the fire fight, along with eight vehicles and seven weapons. Officials believe that all of the victims were gang members. Drug violence has now claimed more than 23,000 lives in Mexico since late 2006.

[Duncan]

"the border is as safe as it ever has been"
Barack Obama - 01/01/2010

[Hubbs]

"the border is as safe as it ever has been"
Barack Obama - 01/01/2010

Well, that's probably pretty accurate.

[Predicto]

21 dead in mexican shootout?

What, was Clint Eastwood there?

[JMS]

21 dead in mexican shootout?

What, was Clint Eastwood there?

23,000 lives claimed in Mexico drug violence since late 2006. That's more people than we've lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined over the same period times 5.

That's freaking nuts.

[Redskins Diehard]

21 dead in mexican shootout?

What, was Clint Eastwood there?

Whatever happened to the good old mexican standoff?

[Ellis]

"the border is as safe as it ever has been"
Barack Obama - 01/01/2010

That's a safe quote right there.

[illone]

And people wonder why the politicians here are trying to pass laws to make this stop.

[r3dsk1ns4L1fe]

And people wonder why the politicians here are trying to pass laws to make this stop.

how are passing laws going to make this stop? this happened in MEXICO, I'm sure stray bullets won't travel 15 miles into Arizona. the Drug "War" isn't winnable and the cartels are getting bigger, stronger and more influential in Mexico. Illegal immigration is a touchy subject for me because both my parents came here illegally, although I completely understand the issue. I feel for many of them because like may parents, they're here for opportunities that just aren't available in our countries. This sucks because now the drug cartels are starting to exploit them which further complicates the immigration issue.

[Destino]

And people wonder why the politicians here are trying to pass laws to make this stop.

I must have missed the laws they are trying to pass concerning the drug war. Illegal immigration and the drug war are different issues. The solution for one does nothing to stop the other.

[illone]

how are passing laws going to make this stop? this happened in MEXICO, I'm sure stray bullets won't travel 15 miles into Arizona. the Drug "War" isn't winnable and the cartels are getting bigger, stronger and more influential in Mexico. Illegal immigration is a touchy subject for me because both my parents came here illegally, although I completely understand the issue. I feel for many of them because like may parents, they're here for opportunities that just aren't available in our countries. This sucks because now the drug cartels are starting to exploit them which further complicates the immigration issue.

Most people here in AZ could care less about illegals.

I know I don't. Most of the people and families I meet or run into are hard working people like myself just trying to make a better life for themselves. I don't have any issue with that, nor do the politicians here.

It's the violence that comes with it that has most families worried. If your family came here and wasn't violent towards citizens here, then you shouldn't be so touchy about it because your family isn't part of the problem.

The lawmakers have to do SOMETHING, and you'd probably understand that if you lived here.

It's easy to point the finger from afar, but what do you suggest the state of AZ do to protect the border from violence like this?

[Destino]

The lawmakers have to do SOMETHING, and you'd probably understand that if you lived here.

It's easy to point the finger from afar, but what do you suggest the state of AZ do to protect the border from violence like this?

Absolutely understand that man. Drug Cartel violence is more like terrorism than typical US crime. Those guys don't mess around and they take action with the intent of sending a message to local government and people. So far it's stayed on the Mexican side of the fence and even that is too close for comfort.

The sad thing is that it seems that Mexico is losing their war.

[Predicto]

And people wonder why the politicians here are trying to pass laws to make this stop.

What laws are those?

[illone]

I must have missed the laws they are trying to pass concerning the drug war. Illegal immigration and the drug war are different issues. The solution for one does nothing to stop the other.

I don't condone the immigration laws, I just understand why they are coming about.

I think most people miss the fact that it's the people commiting crimes and violence that are causing the lawmakers to ATTEMPT to protect the border by preventing ALL illegals from passing across.

Like I said, I don't condone it, or even agree with some of the ways the laws are written.

I do, however, understand why the lawmakers are running around like chickens with their heads cutoff making changes to things.

[twa]

What laws are those?

Attempting to enforce immigration/border security and allow better tracking of who is here is very related to the drug trade and public safety...and by extension the violence

I don't think you realize just how bad it is getting