2011 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Dukes and Skins]

DHB and Campbell are far from studs. freak athletes yes. studs? hardly, but aren't they both on the raiders? I don't know about campbell I just have a feeling that davis saw speed in a 300 lb man and got turned on. Merriman hasnt been the same since he got busted for roids. EJ is solid, as is Davis.

Campbell was someone who should be a 4th round pick and Oakland had a need at OT and Campbell was the #1 guy available there. I wouldn't call it just Al Davis making the selection based on his freakish numbers.

[stevemcqueen1]

Campbell made a mistake coming out early. He hadn't shown enough as a junior to hold a safe first round projection and could have used another year to become a better run blocker. This is also a weak OT group. A good senior season and Campbell is the top name and one of the only guys in the class with the range to play LT in the NFL.

The fact that he came out early makes me think his injuries were serious and that he didn't think he could make it through another college season with his draft stock in tact. The fact that he fell so far in the class despite being a unique talent (extremely fast, extremely strong, gigantic frame) that had some relatively good film from his sophomore season certainly suggests something ugly came up in his medical evaluation, or perhaps there was even some history of PED abuse.

[Dukes and Skins]

Campbell made a mistake coming out early. He hadn't shown enough as a junior to hold a safe first round projection and could have used another year to become a better run blocker. This is also a weak OT group. A good senior season and Campbell is the top name and one of the only guys in the class with the range to play LT in the NFL.

The fact that he came out early makes me think his injuries were serious and that he didn't think he could make it through another college season with his draft stock in tact. The fact that he fell so far in the class despite being a unique talent (extremely fast, extremely strong, gigantic frame) that had some relatively good film from his sophomore season certainly suggests something ugly came up in his medical evaluation, or perhaps there was even some history of PED abuse.

Very good point there Steve if you think about it it would have been Sheldon and Campbell as the top 2 guys for LT and Campbell would be far and away the #1 guy

[Laron Burgundy]

Does the release of Devin Thomas change how any of you feel about drafting a receiver early? I've got to say it does for me a little. This is mainly because I don't see anyone with upside left on the roster at the position, and I'd like for us to acquire someone who has some.

The Bama-USC game was a showcase of spectacular receivers. The more I watch Jones, the more impressed I become with his overall skill-set. He's the type of player who will be a far more productive pro than he is in college. I think he's got top 5 talent and is a threat to score every time he has the ball. If he's there if we pick in the late teens or twenties, I imagine he'd be the BPA. Alshon Jeffery is pretty spectacular too, and I thought he looked even better than Jones did. Too bad he's not eligible yet. He looks like a potential blue chipper for next season.

Alshon Jeffery does look like a beast. He's almost more of a receiving tight end than a receiver. At almost 240 pounds he would be the largest receiver in the league, despite giving up 2 inches on other big receivers like Calvin Johnson and Marquis Colston. I have a feeling he'll put up Anquan Boldin speed and drop in next years draft, or, more likely, he never runs a 40. He's averaging 125 yards a game on a team that only averages 218 yards per game. That's a Steve Smith level of carrying a passing attack. Jones v Jeffery and Floyd v Baldwin both happened today, and all the receivers acquitted themselves well.

And so with Devin getting cut I do believe wr is our greatest need. Not that he was playing anyways, but we can't seriously plan to go into next season with Galloway and Roydell Williams as our 2 and 3 guys. It was probably our greatest need whether he got cut or not. Honestly, only the Browns and Panthers have less receiving talent than us, and at least both of them have intriguing young players. Then again, maybe this move was just a signal that we are going after VJ now.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Right now I have him going #6 to Jacksonville most of it due to the need of a QB for them as Garrard is just not the answer at QB for them. He's an iffy one though because some say the potential he has is the reason to take him in the top 10 and others will point to his inconsistency and say he's a mid 1st to late 1st round pick.

I just can't get over the Nebraska game. 4 of 20 for 70 yards? In my memory, that's gotta be unprecedented for a Heisman hopeful, potential top 5 pick QB. And I think taking a QB based on down-the-road potential is always a risky proposition. Has that ever worked out?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I haven't read through this thread but how do guys feel about Leonard Hankerson as a solution to our WR problem?

[stevemcqueen1]

Alshon Jeffery does look like a beast. He's almost more of a receiving tight end than a receiver. At almost 240 pounds he would be the largest receiver in the league, despite giving up 2 inches on other big receivers like Calvin Johnson and Marquis Colston. I have a feeling he'll put up Anquan Boldin speed and drop in next years draft, or, more likely, he never runs a 40. He's averaging 125 yards a game on a team that only averages 218 yards per game. That's a Steve Smith level of carrying a passing attack. Jones v Jeffery and Floyd v Baldwin both happened today, and all the receivers acquitted themselves well.

And so with Devin getting cut I do believe wr is our greatest need. Not that he was playing anyways, but we can't seriously plan to go into next season with Galloway and Roydell Williams as our 2 and 3 guys. It was probably our greatest need whether he got cut or not. Honestly, only the Browns and Panthers have less receiving talent than us, and at least both of them have intriguing young players. Then again, maybe this move was just a signal that we are going after VJ now.

I've been hesitant to jump on the WR bandwagon since I was holding out hope Thomas would get some PT but that ship has sailed. I'm also not ready to entirely let go of Malcolm Kelly even though my head tells me he's probably done. I like Kelly more than I liked Thomas and I think the coaches do too if he can stay healthy. In retrospect, it would have been nice to trade or cut Thomas during the preseason and let Kelly have his roster spot instead of placing him on IR. He'd probably have been healthy in another week or two if he'd been rested.

That said, I'd love for us to find a big-bodied Brandon Marshall type receiver because this offense could really open up with one. Moss, great as he's been, isn't that kind of player. He's best when he gets a soft cushion to eat up and he's never been the kind of consistent red zone threat we've been searching for forever. I don't really like Vincent Jackson. His DUI history makes him a big character risk and I'm not overwhelmed by his talent level. He's a leggy player who looks like he needs a lot of room to open up. He seems to run deeper routes well and shows shiftiness out of his breaks on them, but he's not a real quick twitch guy and I don't think he's much of a threat to a defense with the ball in his hands. I do like his fairly reliable hands and his leaping ability looks first rate. He also seems to be able to hold onto the ball in traffic. But I'm just not sold that he's much more than a deep threat as a receiver, and if we're shopping for the position, we might as well go big and get a guy who can do it all.

Luckily for us, it seems there are a lot of really good, big receivers in the 2011, 2012, and 2013 classes. I wonder if there is a realistic chance that Julio Jones might fall into the second round? His college production will deter teams and Jones is probably ranked behind Floyd, Green, and Baldwin right now. On the other hand, maybe that would be enough to deter him from declaring early. Still, McElroy is going to graduate, I'd come out if I were Jones, even if I was projected into the second round.

Wouldn't it be nice to end up with a class where we picked someone like Robert Quinn, Marcell Dareus, or Andrew Luck in the first and Julio Jones in the second? I doubt we could be so fortunate. I'm pretty sure hell freezing over is a prerequisite for that to happen. If we're picking late, another great class could be Jones in the first and someone like Allen Bailey or Cameron Jordan/Heyward in the second. Then we could trade back into the third and draft Rodney Hudson. Take Sione Fua or Phil Taylor in the fifth. Then draft Matt Szczur (pronounced Caesar) in the sixth and Bruce Miller in the seventh and Bob's you uncle! An awesome draft class.

You'd get your slot man/returner/wild cat trigger-man and your #1 type receiver to compliment Moss, reinforce the offensive and defensive line, and add a nice developmental linebacker and situational rusher/special teamer.

[The Tris]

I haven't read through this thread but how do guys feel about Leonard Hankerson as a solution to our WR problem?

I brought him up a few pages back of guys we should target if we wait on WRs. Hankerson, Tolliver, Little, Petis, Posey. All big possession WRs with 4.5ish speed who will probably go between the 2nd and 4th rounds.

[seantaylor=god]

If we could get a top notch WR in the 2nd next year, I'd be ecstatic. We have too many defensive needs to not take a defender in the 1st, I'm almost positive we'll find a stud defensive player who is BPA where we pick (be it OLB, DE, or CB).
I also think getting VJax via free agency next year is practically a done deal if we want him. Next year would be a great time to trade down if anyone wants to trade up, maybe net us an extra 2nd. I think we have a lot of needs that could be filled in the 2nd (NT, G/C, FS, DE, WR, RB).

By the way SteveMcQueen- your Draft blog is really top notch. Fantastic info and great format. I'm looking forward to checking it out throughout the year.

[ATLredskin]

-trade down
-we will draft Terrence Toliver in the 2nd-3rd round
-we should come away with a legit OLB pass rusher, WR, and ZBS offensive lineman with our 1st 3 picks
- draft ILB, RB, and defensive lineman with late round picks

[Dukes and Skins]

I just can't get over the Nebraska game. 4 of 20 for 70 yards? In my memory, that's gotta be unprecedented for a Heisman hopeful, potential top 5 pick QB. And I think taking a QB based on down-the-road potential is always a risky proposition. Has that ever worked out?

Just look at some of the picks that have been made lately for QB they are all based on potential down the road. Josh Freeman to some wasn't a 1st round pick but was taken based on his potential and ability to make the big play. It'll be interesting to see with Locker I can see him going #6 to Jacksonville but at the same time I can see him falling a while a lot like Clausen did but not to the same extent

[Laron Burgundy]

I've been hesitant to jump on the WR bandwagon since I was holding out hope Thomas would get some PT but that ship has sailed. I'm also not ready to entirely let go of Malcolm Kelly even though my head tells me he's probably done. I like Kelly more than I liked Thomas and I think the coaches do too if he can stay healthy. In retrospect, it would have been nice to trade or cut Thomas during the preseason and let Kelly have his roster spot instead of placing him on IR. He'd probably have been healthy in another week or two if he'd been rested.

That said, I'd love for us to find a big-bodied Brandon Marshall type receiver because this offense could really open up with one. Moss, great as he's been, isn't that kind of player. He's best when he gets a soft cushion to eat up and he's never been the kind of consistent red zone threat we've been searching for forever. I don't really like Vincent Jackson. His DUI history makes him a big character risk and I'm not overwhelmed by his talent level. He's a leggy player who looks like he needs a lot of room to open up. He seems to run deeper routes well and shows shiftiness out of his breaks on them, but he's not a real quick twitch guy and I don't think he's much of a threat to a defense with the ball in his hands. I do like his fairly reliable hands and his leaping ability looks first rate. He also seems to be able to hold onto the ball in traffic. But I'm just not sold that he's much more than a deep threat as a receiver, and if we're shopping for the position, we might as well go big and get a guy who can do it all.

I agree with you here, VJ wants a king's ransom when he's likely not a 1000 yard receiver unless your qb is Peyton, Rivers, Brady, or Brees. And to trade for him from the Chargers would probably need to give up at least a 2nd round pick, which kinda sucks. I'm not for the trade at all but I don't know why else we would just up and release Devin Thomas.

Also, I think Jake Locker is in a similar position to Josh Freeman. QB's who had a lot of tools to become successful nfl qb's, but they require a team to take a risk on him. I think, with the batch of qb's coming out this year, no team will take that risk in the 1st. Isn't that why he didn't come out last year? Because real nfl scouts had him pegged as a 2nd rounder? I mean, let's be honest, Josh Freeman lucked out because beyond the top prospect, everyone else had big question marks as far as experience/production goes. This year there could be a total of 5 or 6 qb's who probably would have been ranked above Sanchez if they were in that class. Not too many years do nfl teams draft a 1 year starter in the top 10 and a qb whose college numbers are 59% career completion record and 44/34 td/int ratio. Sanchez and Freeman have played well so far this season, but Sanchez will rarely be required to be more than a game manager on the team he's on, and I have a feeling Freeman will end up aspiring to have a Jason Campbell-esque career arc. Bucs were excited about being 2-0, but against Cleveland and Carolina, two locks for top 5 picks, that really doesn't say much.

[Dukes and Skins]

Watching the San Fran and Philly game Aubrayo Franklin is the perfect NT that we've been needing and if he hits the market I would jump all over getting him and not regret it he's been a big help tonight allowing the LB's to make plays.

[StillUnknown]

Rodney Hudson looks alot better to me after seeing how bad our line played yesterday

[The Tris]

schadjoe UNCs Greg Little, Robert Quinn ruled permanantly ineligible by NCAA

Should effect his stock much like Dez Bryant, dropping him into a range where we might be able to grab him.