2011 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Dro89]

I highly doubt we make a play at DWilliams, he's going to want a big contract as a RB and I think Torain Davis and Portis is a good combination of 3 guys. Knowing Shanny we'll have some new RB who is a 5th round pick and ends up being a starter for us.

i would literally give him anything short of 9 mill imo... dude is a absolute STUD...


EDIT- also who are some of the lock down corners you guys see outside of the kid out of nebraska and patrick... imo we need a lock down corner to allow our guys to get in there and get pressure on the qb...

[Laron Burgundy]

Laron with Cannon yes he's 350 but that doesn't mean he's not a good fit, everything I've seen is that he's got the feet to move inside and be successful and if Mike Williams can be a good fit for the ZBS then Cannon can as well. He's not the perfect fit but he's a good fit I hope that makes sense.

I disagree though with your mock and offseason I think you're making a bad decision by moving Brown to RG what I did in mine was address the OC and OG positions with guys who were both an OC and an OG. I have concerns about Brown, he wants to be a tackle why would he move inside? The only way we'd get him to move inside is if we payed him a kings ransom to stay. Also we saw what happens when you try to move a guy who is a tackle in the NFL to a G with Todd Wade, Mike Williams is the exception to that rule but also he wasn't a great fit for a tackle position and that's why he's a great fit at Guard. With Brown though you have someone who is a mauler in the running game when he's healthy and a great pass protector.

What I'm trying to get at here Laron is that while I wouldn't be upset with your mock and offseason I would prefer mine because you are adding a young OC in Kalil who is the prototypical ZBS fit and then add Dahl who would be a good ZBS fit and then add Jackson on the outside. I really think this team is going to make some big splashes in FA and then use those splashes to help them shore up their needs in the draft.

Gallery is another example. Todd Wade didn't work out cause he was just too lanky to play inside (yes, weird calling a 300 pound man lanky). Just didn't have proper knee bend and couldn't get underneath DT's. Brown is a bit more compact. You're probably right that he wouldn't like it, but I'm surprised he liked being moved to RT over being an LT.

[Dukes and Skins]

Dukes-
You would be okay crossing your fingers and hoping that Brown comes back healthy and risk having another year of a rotation of an injured Brown and Stephon Heyer at RT?
B/c it appears that Murphy's Law is always in full effect when it comes to neglect along the OL

I would be okay with it because I fully believe Brown will be back healthy and ready because once he gets back to full strength he'll be our bookend RT

[Dukes and Skins]

i would literally give him anything short of 9 mill imo... dude is a absolute STUD...


EDIT- also who are some of the lock down corners you guys see outside of the kid out of nebraska and patrick... imo we need a lock down corner to allow our guys to get in there and get pressure on the qb...

Aaron Williams and Janois Jenkins would be the next two guys I'd have as shutdown corners although with Jenkins you have someone who is a great blitzer and can make plays but he's also taken a lot of risks and there are concerns about him being able to take on the bigger receivers. Williams is the pure cover corner but not the best blitzer. Both would be good fits for us and I would love to have them as players on our team

[Dukes and Skins]

Gallery is another example. Todd Wade didn't work out cause he was just too lanky to play inside (yes, weird calling a 300 pound man lanky). Just didn't have proper knee bend and couldn't get underneath DT's. Brown is a bit more compact. You're probably right that he wouldn't like it, but I'm surprised he liked being moved to RT over being an LT.

I think he was more ok with being at RT because he still had the chance to be a tackle and be a bookend guy if he moves to Guard he has to relearn everything in terms of running and passing plays because it wont just be him in a one on one instead he'll have one guy in front of him and then possibly blitzing LB's and Safety's.

[darrelgreenie]

I would be okay with it because I fully believe Brown will be back healthy and ready because once he gets back to full strength he'll be our bookend RT

You have much greater faith then I b/c what happens if Brown doesn't come back 100%?
Given that he's not healthy now, he's only getting older, the Saints let him go and that aging injured OL don't usually get better as time goes on.

That seems like a lot of risk to assume unless you think Heyer is a solid option b/c that's what you get if you gamble on Brown and it doesn't pan out like right now.

[Dukes and Skins]

You have much greater faith then I b/c what happens if Brown doesn't come back 100%?
Given that he's not healthy now, he's only getting older, the Saints let him go and that aging injured OL don't usually get better as time goes on.

That seems like a lot of risk to assume unless you think Heyer is a solid option b/c that's what you get if you gamble on Brown and it doesn't pan out like right now.

I'll take the risk though Darrel I think that you'll see Brown close to 100% when the season is over once he can fully get everything back with that hip injury.

[theboomking]

Aaron Williams and Janois Jenkins would be the next two guys I'd have as shutdown corners although with Jenkins you have someone who is a great blitzer and can make plays but he's also taken a lot of risks and there are concerns about him being able to take on the bigger receivers. Williams is the pure cover corner but not the best blitzer. Both would be good fits for us and I would love to have them as players on our team

Didn't Janoris Jenkins just play AJ Green extremely well. I just checked and Green was held to 4 catches for 42 yards and a TD. That looks good on a resume.

You have much greater faith then I b/c what happens if Brown doesn't come back 100%?
Given that he's not healthy now, he's only getting older, the Saints let him go and that aging injured OL don't usually get better as time goes on.

That seems like a lot of risk to assume unless you think Heyer is a solid option b/c that's what you get if you gamble on Brown and it doesn't pan out like right now.

I agree 100% with this. It has been a very long time since Brown's surgery. I'm not expecting him to suddenly become a healthy player again.

[Dukes and Skins]

Didn't Janoris Jenkins just play AJ Green extremely well. I just checked and Green was held to 4 catches for 42 yards and a TD. That looks good on a resume.



I agree 100% with this. It has been a very long time since Brown's surgery. I'm not expecting him to suddenly become a healthy player again.

Janois did a good job on Green I was actually surprised by how well he did, though Green would burn him left and right. I just worry that he'll struggle against the #1's of the NFL when he gets there but him as a nickel early on would be a great move because of his great blitzing ability

[Dro89]

Aaron Williams and Janois Jenkins would be the next two guys I'd have as shutdown corners although with Jenkins you have someone who is a great blitzer and can make plays but he's also taken a lot of risks and there are concerns about him being able to take on the bigger receivers. Williams is the pure cover corner but not the best blitzer. Both would be good fits for us and I would love to have them as players on our team

Unless next year is deep at CB or just Horrible at 3-4 DEs i suggest we go CB... i really do think we can get to the QB if we have a lock down corner.. much like what the jets are doing..

i doubt we're able to get patterson or kid from Nebraska but i would rather have a GREAT cover corner with great hands... then build with that.

[Laron Burgundy]

Also, do you really think Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are likely top ten picks? I don't really like either one all that much. I pretty much never like any Oklahoma quarterbacks and USC players are extremely hard to scout. Most of the things that bothered me about Sam Bradford were indirectly attributable to the Oklahoma program. If he succeeds in the NFL it will be all on his own since that OU system didn't do him any favors as a prospect. I'd actually bet on both of those guys staying in school for their senior seasons if I had to.

Didn't respond to this sooner. I think Barkley is DEFINITELY a top 10 pick. He made huge leaps from last year to this year. Has an absolute cannon for an arm, a compact throwing motion, and he plays in a pro-style offense. If he improves as much next year as from this year he will have a monster junior season. Jones is less of a sure bet. I agree they'll probably stay. Barkley probably will want a shot at a bcs title and they are banned for the next two years.

[Kostaskins]

people to forget that games are won inside trenches. The more pressure you apply on a qb the less time they have to find the open guy let alone by doing that force the qb to make mistakes. a cb is all fine but sooner or later a qr will get open if there is no pressure. we need to address the oline and dline. and stop with the flashy positions.

[Kostaskins]

Stefen Wisniewski, from penn state. Seems to be a good fit for our system. Athletic center and can be had in the center round. Zone blocking fits him well.
I don't follow the big 10 at all so can someone give me some more input on him. We need a center bad and he seems to be a good fit.

[Dukes and Skins]

Stefen Wisniewski, from penn state. Seems to be a good fit for our system. Athletic center and can be had in the center round. Zone blocking fits him well.
I don't follow the big 10 at all so can someone give me some more input on him. We need a center bad and he seems to be a good fit.

Here Kostaskins I'm going to answer your two posts into one here so here we go. When you look at our team we need to get another OLB either this year or next year. As much as I love Lorenzo I think he'd be a great backup guy but he doesn't get sacks and we need that opposite of Orakpo to help out. I think you'll see us only really go DL and OL this year with maybe a RB late if Shanny doesn't feel too confident with our group of RB's.

With Wisniewski you have someone who is a perfect ZBS fit but he's been playing a lot of Guard lately. I would certainly love to have him on the team as would I with Pouncey, if we were somehow able to get both Wisniewski and Pouncey that would be a great thing for us and I would love it

[Kostaskins]

agreed. i want an olb like houston from georgia allot! along with a dt and or nt. along with a center are a huge need!