2011 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Dukes and Skins]

So I saw Kiper top 5 players on his 2011 NFL draft big board and look at what he said for Jake Locker...



So Locker is a good pick because of his physical makeup??? Because if you don't consistently make good decisions and not accurate then how can you possibly be a good QB??? BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a lot like Freeman was for Kansas State and he'll be taken top 10 if you ask me. If he gets a good QB coach to work with along with an OC who is able to mentor QB's well then he could very well be a stud QB

[Dukes and Skins]

Julio Jones is one of the most over-rated players in the country. I want him no where near the Redskins. He'll be a workout warrior and go mid first round unfortunately.

I have to ask why you say that because I don't see him as over-rated as its more of him just being someone who people project as being something special down the road. I'm curious as to why you feel that way

[stevemcqueen1]

He's a lot like Freeman was for Kansas State and he'll be taken top 10 if you ask me. If he gets a good QB coach to work with along with an OC who is able to mentor QB's well then he could very well be a stud QB

Not to mention a couple of redshirt seasons like Aaron Rodgers and Phil Rivers got. The physical and intangible skills are there. Unfortunately, he's simply not ready for the NFL. Luck has a much higher level of readiness and he's only a 21 year old RS sophomore.

[stevemcqueen1]

I have to ask why you say that because I don't see him as over-rated as its more of him just being someone who people project as being something special down the road. I'm curious as to why you feel that way

My guess is because he's an LSU fan. Jones is a polarizing player. Some don't even have him graded in the first round. I trust my evaluation on him though. I'm going to rewatch the South Carolina game and focus on the play of Dareus and Jones. That'll give me three Alabama games for the season, which is about the minimum for forming a decent evaluation. Once I'm done with that, I'll probably start writing up vignettes on Dareus, Jones, and Ingram.

[stevemcqueen1]

Apparently the Colts put in a claim for Devin Thomas but didn't get him because Carolina has a worse record. Apparently he's not as bad as most of the clowns on Extremeskins would have us believe. I don't think he'll be much of a spark for an awful Panthers team, but I'm thankful he didn't end up in Indy. If any team could have made him into a successful receiver, it would have been the Colts and I bet he could have become a hell of a player there. First and foremost, it would have sucked to see him become a star somewhere else. Second, the Colts don't need any more help to be a good team. I'll be interested to see where Thomas signs an extension this offseason.

[Floodzone004]

They were probably just gonna bring Devin Thomas in to see if he could give them any info on our playbook. I can't imagine Jim Caldwell would take him when Shanny wouldn't.

[stevemcqueen1]

They were probably just gonna bring Devin Thomas in to see if he could give them any info on our playbook. I can't imagine Jim Caldwell would take him when Shanny wouldn't.

I don't think that holds water at all. You don't cut someone just to pick up a recent cut from the team you are playing that week just so you can interview them for what's in the playbook. The Colts have a talented roster, who gets the axe just so they could gain what probably amounts to a minimal competitive advantage? Besides, you prepare by watching film. And it's not like the Colts aren't intimately familiar with our offensive scheme from preparing for the Texans twice each year, and four times while Kyle Shanahan was their playcaller.

[The Tris]

Someone who is horrible at running routes is a horrible fit for the Colts offense.

[ATLredskin]

Well apparently the Colts still claimed him. Pierre Garcon is a horrible route runner and has declined this season.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

He's a lot like Freeman was for Kansas State and he'll be taken top 10 if you ask me. If he gets a good QB coach to work with along with an OC who is able to mentor QB's well then he could very well be a stud QB

It's obvious Jake Locker just needs someone to throw bouncy balls at him. Jim Zorn to the rescue!

[The Tris]

Well apparently the Colts still claimed him. Pierre Garcon is a horrible route runner and has declined this season.

Considering they played Devin Moore, their starting KR on IR after the Oct 3rd game against the Jags, I would assume they were claiming him as a returner and not a WR. They signed a street FA Kenny Moore and Jarvarius James from our PS to return kicks for them against the Chiefs.

[Dukes and Skins]

It's obvious Jake Locker just needs someone to throw bouncy balls at him. Jim Zorn to the rescue!

Genius I mean look at the great work Zorn has put in with Flacco.......

[Dukes and Skins]

Not to mention a couple of redshirt seasons like Aaron Rodgers and Phil Rivers got. The physical and intangible skills are there. Unfortunately, he's simply not ready for the NFL. Luck has a much higher level of readiness and he's only a 21 year old RS sophomore.

Ageed he's someone who has all the talent in the world and is so gifted and if you draft him and have a good QB in front of him to tutor and mentor then you'll be in good shape just like Rodgers and Rivers they had great QB's in front of them, they learned developed and became stud QB's now

[stevemcqueen1]

Someone who is horrible at running routes is a horrible fit for the Colts offense.

Being able to run routes isn't particular to the Colts offense. Plus, Devin's not as bad a route runner as you'd think. In '08 and '09, he was better than Malcolm Kelly was. I'm sure Devin came off as a ****head in person and in meetings and practice and that ultimately led to him getting cut. But he could make sharp cuts and fly out of his breaks and was the type of athlete that didn't have to gear down to change directions. If he's deficient as a route runner, its probably because he's not instinctive, never learned to adjust his routes based on the coverage, or got lazy and started rounding them off when he wasn't involved in the game. I'm not sure what the deal was (and I don't think any of us really know), but I do know that those three things I brought up probably apply to half the receivers in the league. Hell each of those are true of Randy Moss and he's a Hall of Famer. To this day he can't run routes for ****. You balance those kinds of frustrations with how many plays they make for you. We just never really gave Devin an opportunity to play.

Devin was a good prospect and a remarkable talent--pound for pound, easily one of our best athletes. Revisionism aside, he was universally considered the best WR prospect of 2008 and most places gave him a first round grade. His shortcomings were from a personality standpoint IMO, and they probably should have raised more red flags than they did before the draft. Devin probably doesn't know how to work hard yet. He was a JUCO who transferred to college for what, three semesters all told? I doubt he ever really cared about anything other than getting to the NFL and then parlaying that into personal fame seems to have been an important secondary goal. I also think Devin didn't have the greatest support system, and I can kind of see why he's so narcissistic. To this day, something his dad said prior the draft still bothers me. When asked why his son decided to come out early, he replied, "Coming off the season he had and looking at the senior corps of receivers, we felt like it was a prime opportunity for him to enter the NFL."

I don't like that his dad went out of his way to insult the senior class. First off, it's tacky and not really something well coached, top prospects do (you wouldn't have seen Sam Bradford talking about how **** the senior QB class was last year). For another thing, he's not a scout. It sounds like his dad was parroting Mel Kiper or something. Devin probably read his own press, that's a cardinal sin for any professional athlete as nothing good typically comes from doing that. When you're considering a guy in the first round, especially a young player, I think it's important to get a strong sense of what his family background is like. If he comes from a well-grounded family, then chances are he's going to have a good head on his shoulders.

I think Devin was a big missed opportunity, but he wasn't doing us any good right now and the honeymoon was over. I still think he can be a very good NFL receiver if he gets the right set of coaches. He's a high maintenance player that needs someone who will ride him constantly. That definitely isn't Mike Shanahan's style, and Shanahan shouldn't be expected to change his ways just to meet the needs of one unproven draft prospect taken by another regime. But players like Thomas have gone on to be very successful. In the end, I suppose a change of scenery was best for both parties.

[VRIEL1]

I'll go ahead and be the jerk who says we need OL. Why draft a RB when Shanahan is known to take late round draft pick RB's and turn them into studs? Plus with out a decent OL to block for you 1st round RB he's either going to get killed or injured.

Defensively we get a big NT from somewhere the other DL will look better.

I can see us looking into;
OL
WR
LB
CB


Then maybe RB.