ES Soccer Thread

[Sticksboi05]

Come on people really? Let's stay on topic and stop fighting like little girls. It's not worth it. Haven't we learned by now that e-arguments aren't worth it?

[rdsknbill]

Oh goodness, the "fastest growing sport" argument. It's just 'cause your sport has room for growth since it's been sequestered in the northeast for the past 80 years. Yeah, small start-ups businesses are growing faster than say Coca-Cola. A sapling grows at a faster rate than full grown oak.

Are you so ignorant that you think every soccer coach in America coaches their kid to pull that crap that you see the Italians and hispanic players do? Are you so arrogant that only a lacrosse coach has the capability to teach integrity, camaraderie etc to his players. Get over yourself. Everything you said could be flipped around and boiled down to "I get a chuckle every time a meathead, rapist/murderer lacrosse player is in the headline." Is that what you coach young lacrosse players to do?

One of my most respected "mentors" was a lacrosse coach. He played at Army and coached the top HS team in the NoVA Area in the 90s. He respected soccer and had no gripes about it. But you just have a complex about it. Inferiority?

Oh HERE WE GO! "Meathead Rapist murderer". Want to talk about ignorance? A very respectable coach in Mike Pressler, who I know personally, was thrown to the wolves after the Duke incident that turned out to be a witch hunt by an irresponsible DA along with an idiot Athletic Director (Think you would have heard a PEEP if it was a Duke Basketball issue?). As you know, if you took the time to know the facts, the case was found to be absolute BS and the accuser was arrested for crack possession and prostitution a few years later. Meanwhile Coach Pressler is enjoying rebuilding the program at Bryant University. Unfortunately, it gave our sport really bad press and damaged the lives of some young men that weren't given fair due process.

Now if you are referring to the Yeardley Love case at UVA, it was a terrible tragedy where a psycho, that happened to be a lacrosse player, committed a horrible crime over a a broken relationship. Could have been any sport, so give it a rest.

Shall we talk about Bruno the Murderer in Brazil? OR Pablo Escobar's funding of soccer in Columbia with drug/blood money?

Nevermind

I get frustrated with the treatment of the youth lacrosse program by the soccer mafia. Over 60% of our youth players live in Windsor Township with their huge complex of fields, yet the Youth sports director refuses to give the lax program use of any of those fields. Half the time they sit empty, while we scratch and claw for field time on the fields that she doesn't control.
NO arrogance there, right?

No inferiority complex here, just enraging frustration at the ignorance of certain people in the soccer community.

My point is that this area has never produced a Div. 1 Soccer player, while one of my seniors from last year was named All-American and is attending VMI as a freshman attackman on their lacrosse team. I have many rising seniors that are also being heavily recruited to play in college. Some by D-1 schools.

As for your "respected mentor" being a lacrosse coach. Good for him. His thoughts on soccer differ from mine. My former coach is in the Maryland High School Sports HOF. Maryland Football Coaches Assoc. HOF and the Anne Arundel County Sports HOF. The field at the HS is named after him. So what is your point here?

[rdsknbill]

Come on people really? Let's stay on topic and stop fighting like little girls. It's not worth it. Haven't we learned by now that e-arguments aren't worth it?

Tell that to the guys in the political threads.

[Forehead]

Let's just answer this piece by piece, shall we.

Gee Forehead, I have been involved with lacrosse for over 20 years, and just get a chuckle when we get run down by the "soccer Mom mafia", like yourself.

You've been involved in Lacrosse for 20 years...so what? What point does this have with you acting like an arrogant **** towards another sport? I also find it odd that you would refer to me as a soccer mom when I am A) quite obviously male, and B) have no children old enough to play sports at the present time. But whatever, I'm used to your logic by now, and it makes just as little sense as always.

Yea, it's true, I HATE Soccer, and you want to know why? The supposed "pros" are nothing but drama queens that go down like they got shot if someone bumps into them, and the worst part is that they are coached to do this **** at a young age. You can't deny that this is rampant. What great life lessons you are teaching here!!!!!

Again, you have erred, but I will correct you. I am teaching no such life lessons because I don't coach soccer. I have no issues with your complaints because I myself have spoken out against them, I did so in the World Cup thread. This is something that is much more rampant on the world stage and in other countries, it was very rare when I played in youth and adult leagues, and is in fact not taught at a young age, at least not where I grew up playing. Of course, I only played/was involved in soccer for 11 years, not "over 20" in lacrosse like you. Using basic math and your style of logic, that probably makes my opinion only 55% as valid as yours, right?

It's also because there is this ****ing arrogance that Soccer is the latest and greatest. Guess what Soccer guy. Lacrosse is one of the fastest growing sport in the US!

It might interest you to know at this point that soccer is not even close to my favorite sport, though I do appreciate the game. So referring to me as soccer guy...again, another mistake on your part. And as Elessar pointed out, is doesn't take much to become the "fastest growing sport in the U.S." when no one gave two ****s about it ten years ago.

I mean hell, let's say that 50% of the U.S. played baseball, and ten years later, 55% did. Well hell, baseball made a 10% gain. Let's say 5% of the U.S. played lacrosse and ten years later, 15% played. Why, you just made a 200% gain!! That's awesome!!! You must be so much more popular that all the other sports!!

Sounds kind of stupid huh? Go back and read what you wrote again, as if being a fast growing sport gives you carte blanche to dump on things other people like. I haven't seen anyone dump on Lacrosse on this board that wasn't in direct response to something you (or one of the other lacrosse folks on this board) said first.

Oh, it might interest you to know that I dated a girl in high school for two years who was a lacrosse player. Though I understand there are some differences in regards to level of contact, you'll find I understand your sport better than many on here.

I coach integrity, respect for the game and their opponents. I instill a brotherhood in my players that transcends the sport to their everyday lives. Many of my players play on summer club teams with other players that they see during the regular season. Many of these players will be playing together in college after I am done with them at the HS level.

See, this is one of those bull**** paragraphs I just love reading. You coach integrity and respect for the game and opponents? Yet you turn around and disrespect another game and its participants? I shudder to think what kind of brotherhood you're instilling in these players with this kind of attitude. Do you have them walking around looking smug, beating up soccer players?

And frankly, who gives a flying **** what you coach or instill? How does any of this translate into you thinking it's okay to come dump on another sport, over and over, to satisfy some inferiority you have in regards to your own?

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Now that that's over with, let's talk about something else. I have actually read a number of your threads, and I realize that you care very much about coaching your kids, and you seem very genuine in your wishes to promote the sport and help your players achieve something in it. I find that admirable, though I still think you have a major issue/inferiority complex.

I also have a long memory, and I remember awhile back when you posted on here asking for money and support for your program after it has been approved by the PIAA (I have family from PA, I know what that is). If you need a refresher, here it is.

I was going to say "begging for money" but upon re-reading, you were not doing that, merely asking for help. Now I realize the timelines are all off, and that thread came maybe two years ago, before you decided to go on your soccer hating rampage, but I've seen you get into it with people in other threads, on other topics, and I wonder, is this the way you think people will help you? I consider myself to be a pretty charitable person, I have helped a few people on this board with various things, but I can't imagine sending you a dime with the attitute you project on here.

Maybe your league has been doing well in the past two years, sustaining itself, and you don't need the help anymore. I'm just saying, maybe you ought to think a bit more about how you dump on the very people who were part of your target audience when you were asking for help. Frankly, I'm surprised you had to come on here and ask, being the "fastest growing sport in the U.S." and all, but you sure as hell aren't doing yourself any favors if you ever need to ask again.

[Forehead]

No inferiority complex here, just enraging frustration at the ignorance of certain people in the soccer community.

Sounds like you have a local issue to fight. So again, why are you coming on this board to argue with people who are, for the most part, discussing a sport occuring in Europe. Our particular fandom, views, and posting have absolutely zero to do with the issues your program is facing locally, yet you're coming on here and giving us crap?

[Skinz4Life12]

Jaime Moreno on 106.7 at noon

[rdsknbill]

Forehead,

While I enjoyed your dissertation on your opinion of me, I could really care less. Call me arrogant? fine

I made a comment about a young player that made a FACTUAL point regarding the amount of running in Lax versus Soccer and you Freaked! Then Ellesar feels he had to add the "Meathead Rapist/Murderer" comment. Did you expect me NOT to respond to such a completely IGNORANT post?


It's not only a local issue. I heard the same from other coaches at the US lacrosse Convention. It is nationwide, not just local


I will leave you guys to your thread. Sorry to get you all worked up over an innocent comment. You took the first shot by referring to me as a Douchebag.

[Old Bay]

Gunners!!!

Boo this man!

[KingGibbs]

My money is on rdsknbill against any soccer players in here. Anyone want part of the action?

[Old Bay]

My money is on rdsknbill against any soccer players in here. Anyone want part of the action?

It was only a matter of time...

Mention soccer or Twilight and watch the people froth at the mouth like a rabid racoon.

[KingGibbs]

It was only a matter of time...

Mention soccer or Twilight and watch the people froth at the mouth like a rabid racoon.

LOL. I could care less because I'm not a fan of soccer or lax.

To answer your next question. I post in these threads because I can.

[Old Bay]

LOL. I could care less because I'm not a fan of soccer or lax.

To answer your next question. I post in these threads because I can.

And you're much the cooler for it as well.

[KingGibbs]

And you're much the cooler for it as well.

Thanks!

[Elessar78]

Oh HERE WE GO! "Meathead Rapist murderer". Want to talk about ignorance? A very respectable coach in Mike Pressler, who I know personally, was thrown to the wolves after the Duke incident that turned out to be a witch hunt by an irresponsible DA along with an idiot Athletic Director (Think you would have heard a PEEP if it was a Duke Basketball issue?). As you know, if you took the time to know the facts, the case was found to be absolute BS and the accuser was arrested for crack possession and prostitution a few years later. Meanwhile Coach Pressler is enjoying rebuilding the program at Bryant University. Unfortunately, it gave our sport really bad press and damaged the lives of some young men that weren't given fair due process.

Now if you are referring to the Yeardley Love case at UVA, it was a terrible tragedy where a psycho, that happened to be a lacrosse player, committed a horrible crime over a a broken relationship. Could have been any sport, so give it a rest.

Shall we talk about Bruno the Murderer in Brazil? OR Pablo Escobar's funding of soccer in Columbia with drug/blood money?

Nevermind

I get frustrated with the treatment of the youth lacrosse program by the soccer mafia. Over 60% of our youth players live in Windsor Township with their huge complex of fields, yet the Youth sports director refuses to give the lax program use of any of those fields. Half the time they sit empty, while we scratch and claw for field time on the fields that she doesn't control.
NO arrogance there, right?

No inferiority complex here, just enraging frustration at the ignorance of certain people in the soccer community.

My point is that this area has never produced a Div. 1 Soccer player, while one of my seniors from last year was named All-American and is attending VMI as a freshman attackman on their lacrosse team. I have many rising seniors that are also being heavily recruited to play in college. Some by D-1 schools.

As for your "respected mentor" being a lacrosse coach. Good for him. His thoughts on soccer differ from mine. My former coach is in the Maryland High School Sports HOF. Maryland Football Coaches Assoc. HOF and the Anne Arundel County Sports HOF. The field at the HS is named after him. So what is your point here?

RedskinBill, my point, if you took the time to comprehend, was that we can boil down to stereotypes (soccer is a bunch of divers, lacrosse is a bunch of meathead rapists). Italians and the Argentinians do not represent American soccer. Every coach I know that's worth his salt tries to erase that aspect from our game. Clint Dempsey does not represent every American soccer player.

As far as field use, you don't respect how long it probably took the "soccer mafia" (as you so lovingly put it) to actually have their own fields that are the proper size, grassy, and properly drained. For decades soccer played second fiddle to football and our games were on barren, cut up uneven "fields". Guess what? Twenty years later, after much organizing and politicking around the country we started to make in roads.

It's not that the fields are not being used, their quality is being preserved for the sport they were intended for.

Heck, you guys are the self-proclaimed fastest growing sport in America. GET YOUR OWN FIELDS MADE. We, the soccer community, waited patiently and were persistent so we you could draft off our hard work? I don't think so. The US Soccer community worked hard to bring these facilities to communities that wanted it, and you feel a sense of entitlement to it for some reason.

But it's not like I don't feel your pain. Every winter I have to claw and scratch for a place to play indoor because every gym is occupied by basketball. So as long as I have a surface that's not covered in snow (parking lot/tennis court/basketball court) I take my 9 year old girls outdoors in the balmy Pennsylvania winters for practice. So I apologize for not having any patience with grown "men" complaining about lack of a place to practice.

[Elessar78]

Boo this man!

Boo-urns?