ES Soccer Thread

[Old Bay]

Friedel's consecutive game streak comes to an end today it seems. Nice run Brad. Reason I started following Rovers.

[jobaga]

On the subject of 'diving', that was shocking from Luis above. He's had 3 stonewall pens turned down already this year, and **** like today just aids in his reputation going before him when he is genuinely fouled. Rodgers needs to get a grip on that. Very frustrating day, as I'm sure many will be without an out and out scorer in the team. Should of WELL won the game. Loving watching this team develop. Suso and Wisdom, like Sterling, don't look out of place at all at this level.

Hail.

I don't disagree about Louis. I wish he would keep his feet more. That doesn't change the fact that he doesn't get calls that other players get. I think if he would get the calls he deserves, he would not feel as if he needs to embellish the contact. As far as him being singled out as a diver, give me a break. Every team has at least three guys that do the same exact things as Suarez, just not as vilified .

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 05:54 PM ----------

Friedel's consecutive game streak comes to an end today it seems. Nice run Brad. Reason I started following Rovers.

it's a shame, but it looks like he lost his place (undeserved)

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

I don't disagree about Louis. I wish he would keep his feet more. That doesn't change the fact that he doesn't get calls that other players get. I think if he would get the calls he deserves, he would not feel as if he needs to embellish the contact. As far as him being singled out as a diver, give me a break. Every team has at least three guys that do the same exact things as Suarez, just not as vilified .

I strongly disagree with that. I been watching Suarez since he moved to Ajax,, he has always dived and embellished contact, etc. That is what he does. That is how he plays.

Now 2 wrongs do not make a right, so refs need to call fouls when they are fouls, but the reason he does that is because thats how he is.


and the reason why Suarez is singled out is because he does it an egregious amount of times. Every time the guy falls over, he is looking for the ref to blow the whistle. I dont remember Cronaldo being like that when he first got to England. Pires was never that bad either. Even Gerrard and Rooney are not as egregious as Suarez is. He got away with it his first 12 months in the Premier League, but it seem everything changed after the "Negrito" incident.

I cannot think of another player in England that is as bad as Suarez when it comes to embellishment and diving. If he wants it to change, he is going to have to stay on his feet. Thats what changed for Cronaldo, he stopped falling over dramatically and played through contact unless it was an actual foul. Refs forgot about his diving ways and started calling fouls for him. I would say Suarez has to adjust, but he does not seem willing too.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Ronaldo stopped diving through his time at Utd?

*Resists the urge .....

Hail.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

when I said stopped, I mean it wasnt as egregious as it was when he first arrived. He got a lot better his last 3 years in England. Before he was teetering to where Suarez is right now with his diving, whereas he moved towards Gerrard level of diving by the time he left United.

[jobaga]

Ronaldo stopped diving through his time at Utd?

*Resists the urge .....

Hail.

Apparently the troll is hungry....

[Elessar78]

One day, I shall take you up on that offer.

But bsf, ren and Elessar at least need to be there too. I may talk dead funny, but man we'd have a blast. Oh yeah, and the #7 shirts MINE! Or we might well be going at it.

Hail.

That would be awesome. When I lived in DC half a decade ago (sniff) there was talk around here of putting together an ES team. Would've been fun.

I think we could've had some dope uniforms. Invited the rest of the message board to come cheer us on.

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 08:43 PM ----------

when I said stopped, I mean it wasnt as egregious as it was when he first arrived. He got a lot better his last 3 years in England. Before he was teetering to where Suarez is right now with his diving, whereas he moved towards Gerrard level of diving by the time he left United.

Personally, I thought it got worse in his last years at Utd. His free kick had become so devastating that he was going down on any contact.

The ridiculous thing is that the way 99% of players dive looks nothing like what a real foul looks like. The thing that aggravates me the most is the covering of the face.

In my years of reffing anything from U-littles to semi-pro soccer, NO ONE covers their face when they are really in pain. Human nature has us grab the area that is injured. I've seen my share of compound fractures and bad lacerations.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

I get it, Im trolling because I think Suarez needs to stop diving and embellishing contact and just play through things in order to gain respect from the refs like Cronaldo had to do.

Meanwhile, the Liverpool sympathizer thinks that 2-3 players on every team dives like Suarez, yet im the one trolling.

He will never gain respect from refs until he calms it down, but he wont because thats the way he plays. The diving goes along with his nutmegging and ability to beat a defender one v one.

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 08:59 PM ----------

Personally, I thought it got worse in his last years at Utd. His free kick had become so devastating that he was going down on any contact.

The ridiculous thing is that the way 99% of players dive looks nothing like what a real foul looks like. The thing that aggravates me the most is the covering of the face.

In my years of reffing anything from U-littles to semi-pro soccer, NO ONE covers their face when they are really in pain. Human nature has us grab the area that is injured. I've seen my share of compound fractures and bad lacerations.

I think dude improved a lot, his first few years in the Premier League he was going over at every bit of contact. If you breathed on him, he fell over. If he failed on a dribble he would fall over. He improved A LOT his last 3 years in England. Its now back to the mess again in Spain tho.


And I never understand the need to grab your face when you are fouled. I guess its more honor in the game at lower levels than it is in the bigger leagues. Ive never noticed it when I played a lot in college, never saw it in college soccer either. I just wonder what changes when they reach professional levels, that players need to embellish every bit of contact.

The only way to limit it in the top leagues is to do what Serie A and MLS have done, which is have a panel go over incidents afterwards and access monetary penalties, and issue retroactive cards. It wont ever end diving, but I feel that could create a positive change versus how it is now.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

also, this is the Gareth Bale dive from earlier. He is probably the 2nd worst in the league

[Old Bay]

it's a shame, but it looks like he lost his place (undeserved)

Once they got Lloris it was only a matter of time. AVB seems to always do things his way, too.

[jobaga]

Once they got Lloris it was only a matter of time. AVB seems to always do things his way, too.

who knows, maybe Lloris will pull a De Gea

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Once they got Lloris it was only a matter of time. AVB seems to always do things his way, too.

I'm not so sure it's 'his way', or more pressure from above to get the expensive deadline day signing off the bench and onto the park.

I am sure Brad sure as heck didn't deserve to be dropped. Dangerous game, as Friedel's still quality and would command a start at most clubs and live upto it too. You can't carry two quality 'keepers these days. One always wants to play. And with Cudicini their too, I think today was the begining of the end of Brad's Tottenham career.

Modern day soccer can really suck at times.



---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 09:36 PM ----------

..... Meanwhile, the Liverpool sympathizer thinks that 2-3 players on every team dives like Suarez, yet im the one trolling. ......

There's Liverpool sympathizers on here?

Huh. Here's me thinking people who disagreed with you were just offering an impartial opinion. Kinda' like you'd say you where. But it turns out their just 'sympathizers' to what ever opposing view they happen to take.

Who knew?

*Darn it. I tried SO hard to resist the urge .....

Hail.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

There's Liverpool sympathizers on here?

Huh. Here's me thinking people who disagreed with you were just offering an impartial opinion. Kinda' like you'd say you where. But it turns out their just 'sympathizers' to what ever opposing view they happen to take.

Who knew?

*Darn it. I tried SO hard to resist the urge .....

Hail.

who are the 2-3 players on every team that dives like Suarez? You cant a claim, and then not back up that claim with examples. And yes, from what I have read on this thread some posters do sympathize with Liverpool. Nothing is wrong with that at all, but I cant accept a sympathizer trying to dismiss Suarez's embellishments and diving by saying 2-3 players on each premiership team does it. I need names before I can take it serious, but I doubt anyone can name 2-3 players on each premiership team because the claim is not true.

All have said is that Suarez needs to stay on his feet more to earn respect from the refs. Do you disagree with that? What I also said is that 2 wrongs do not make a right (Suarez diving, and officials punishing Suarez for his diving by not calling legit fouls on him). From what I have read, no one has actually disagreed with me there.

One disagreement is with Cronaldo lowering his diving in subsequent years in the Premier League. Me and Elessar disagreed but I didnt say his opinion was invalid because of a bias, and he didnt say my opinion was invalid.

The other is that Suarez only dives and embellishes because he does not get the calls he deserves, which I again say is bunk. Ever since I first saw him when he played in the u20s world cup in '07, he has always liked taking dives to con the refs. Its how he plays, and he carried that forward at Ajax and he does it today at Liverpool.

[RichmondRedskin88]

So my buds and I are coming up for the Oct 20th home game. DCU can clinch a playoff spot with a win or tie. I'm planning to stop by the store- I just bought a new authentic 2012 off ebay for like 40 so I plan to go customize it. I'm planning to get "Bloody Eagle" (medieval torture plus DCU eagle) with a number 8 or 10(I haven't settled on a number yet. Any suggestions? lol). I plan to add a Screamin Eagles patch while I'm there since that's always been my group even if I didn't renew this year.

(It will be the second game for one of my buds. Man first he got a packed house for his first game and victory. Now he gets a traditional rival with playoffs on the line. He's getting some good first games to see)

[Old Bay]

I'm not so sure it's 'his way', or more pressure from above to get the expensive deadline day signing off the bench and onto the park.

I am sure Brad sure as heck didn't deserve to be dropped. Dangerous game, as Friedel's still quality and would command a start at most clubs and live upto it too. You can't carry two quality 'keepers these days. One always wants to play. And with Cudicini their too, I think today was the begining of the end of Brad's Tottenham career.

Modern day soccer can really suck at times.

Still, it was a matter of time. I understand their desire for a more long term solution in goal, but to get Lloris meant that you'd have to push Brad aside sooner rather than later. So yeah, you're probably right about AVB receiving pressure. It's impressive (I guess that's the word) the way Tottenham has stocked keepers.

A mistake that both Rovers and Villa have made is thinking that Brad was done.