The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Yeah I think we could do a lot worse than Grunfeld. But that's just me. Maybe I still have some PTSD affects from the Wes years clouding my thinking.

I think a lot of the problems during the "Wes years" was on Mr. Pollin.

---------- Post added April-11th-2012 at 03:17 PM ----------

Anyone else think Drummond might end up being a legit 7' and 300 pounds when he's done growing?

He definitely has the frame for it...combined with great athleticism.

Can't teach that,

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I think a lot of the problems during the "Wes years" was on Mr. Pollin.

Then can't you say the same for the problems during the Grunfeld years?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Then can't you say the same for the problems during the Grunfeld years?

Actually, you can.

[Destino]

Anyone else think Drummond might end up being a legit 7' and 300 pounds when he's done growing?

Has he declared? More than anyone he needs to stay another year. If he has a "good" not great year he's the #1 over all pick instantly. That combination of size and speed is incredibly rare.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Has he declared? More than anyone he needs to stay another year. If he has a "good" not great year he's the #1 over all pick instantly. That combination of size and speed is incredibly rare.

Lamb declared already. Drummond expected to make an announcement today or tomorrow. I can't see him going back but who knows.

http://boston.sbnation.com/2012/4/10...ay-or-thursday

[Destino]

Yeah I think we could do a lot worse than Grunfeld. But that's just me. Maybe I still have some PTSD affects from the Wes years clouding my thinking.

He's made good and bad decisions we can argue over which pile is bigger but to me the real issue is the culture. Since Arenas there has been a non-stop parade of unprofessional behavior in Washington. Blatche doesn't show up in shape and he gets forced on coaches. Guys like Martins and J Singleton are put on 10 day agreements at the end of the season when we all knew going in we lacked effort and veteran leadership. Rashard Lewis has pretty much flat out refused to play here. The list goes on and on.

This team needs a few no nonsense basketball professionals. One at GM and the other at head coach.

[RonArtest15]

Wizards can't afford to take another "project" in Drummond (at the #2), when you have LEGIT NBA-ready players in MKG or Robinson sitting right there for the taking. Taking Drummond with Nene on the roster and with Seraphin's improvement, would be a colossal mistake.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Wizards can't afford to take another "project" in Drummond (at the #2), when you have LEGIT NBA-ready players in MKG or Robinson sitting right there for the taking. Taking Drummond with Nene on the roster and with Seraphin's improvement, would be a colossal mistake.

Drummond hasn't fully developed but I wouldn't call him a project.

[Destino]

Wizards can't afford to take another "project" in Drummond (at the #2), when you have LEGIT NBA-ready players in MKG or Robinson sitting right there for the taking. Taking Drummond with Nene on the roster and with Seraphin's improvement, would be a colossal mistake.

I agree. If we have a top 2 pick it has to be Robinson or Davis IMO. After that though it comes down to how good the scouts think Beal, MKG, and Barnes will be. If they don't think any of those guys has a chance of being an all star NBA player that's where Drummond creeps into the picture. You can't teach that size and speed. Remember he's not "fast for a center" he's rumored to be one of the fastest players at UConn when running the floor, including the guards.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

He's made good and bad decisions we can argue over which pile is bigger but to me the real issue is the culture. Since Arenas there has been a non-stop parade of unprofessional behavior in Washington. Blatche doesn't show up in shape and he gets forced on coaches. Guys like Martins and J Singleton are put on 10 day agreements at the end of the season when we all knew going in we lacked effort and veteran leadership. Rashard Lewis has pretty much flat out refused to play here. The list goes on and on.

This team needs a few no nonsense basketball professionals. One at GM and the other at head coach.

I've been saying the same for a couple of years now. I just think people act like Ernie is on Wes' level and I don't think it's even close. We could do a lot worse than Ernie.

[RonArtest15]

Drummond hasn't fully developed but I wouldn't call him a project.

Agree to disagree, but my main point is...he's not going to step in and make any sort of difference on this roster for a couple of seasons. Guys like MKG, Robinson, or Beal (who will all be there at #2), you can argue that they'd come in an contribute right away.

I forgot where I read it, but one scout said that Drummond is going to either make or break whichever GM that chooses him. Classic high-risk/high-reward player. If he's sitting there in that 5-10 range, sure...I can see why someone would draft him there. However, I think it's not in the WIZARDS best interest to take him at #2.

[StillUnknown]

He also traded the #5 overall for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. In addition to re-upping Blatche.

He also managed to assemble a team with no shooting ability and a ridiculously low collective basketball IQ.

Ernie is somewhat decent at identifying talent, but he has absolutely no vision or a clue when it comes to assembling a roster. Expecting a bunch of long athletic players who can't shoot and seemingly can't grasp basic basketball fundamentals to be competitive is a huge stain on Grunfeld IMO.

Not to mention he's responsible for fostering the complete lack of discipline and accountability that we've seen for the past few years.

[No Excuses]

Just to recap why Ernie Grunfeld should not be considered the worst GM in history. He traded 2nd round no-show Vladmir Veermenko for Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Crawford and Chris Singleton & 3 million dollars

No.

He allowed (in that trade) the Bulls to move Kirk Hinrich so they can have additional cap room to become the best team in the Eastern Conference.

Meanwhile, we are the 2nd worst team in the NBA. Continously getting worse without much progress.

Ernie is the dumpster for every NBA team to send their bad contracts.

Mentioning Jordan Crawford and Chris Singleton isn't saying much btw. Both of them would be the 13/14th bench players for any quality NBA team.

[Thinking Skins]

Yeah I think we could do a lot worse than Grunfeld. But that's just me. Maybe I still have some PTSD affects from the Wes years clouding my thinking.

Thats why I'm not so in favor of firing Ernie. I know we're bad, but I remember this team being horrible. With Ernie at least we have done SOME things right, even if one was the obvious thing in picking Wall, or undoing mistakes he shouldn't have made in the first place. The fact is that this team is cursed. Imagine how hard of an environment that is to work in. If he gets fired, I hope we get a legit successor and not just somebody to be somebody new.

---------- Post added April-11th-2012 at 12:08 PM ----------

Then can't you say the same for the problems during the Grunfeld years?

Well with one exception, Abe did the GREAT thing of making sure the Jordan couldn't come back after returning.[COLOR="Gold"]

[No Excuses]

Ernie had something that no other GM under Abe had. He had much more control of the team.

I'm sick of the Abe excuse. Did some of you see the guy in his last couple of years? He gave Ernie a blank check to assemble a veteran team and Ernie got him Darius Songalia, DeShawn Stevenson, Mike Miller and Randy Foye.