The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Destino]

I think Vesely will be the most improved player next season if this team gets a new coach and GM. We might be better along the front court than I would have expected. Booker, Seraphin, Nene, Vesely, and potentially a high draft pick. How do we get the best players on the floor though?

Nene Vesely
Seraphin Booker
????? Singleton
????? Crawford
Wall Mack

Need shooters and natural scorers at the question marks and Wall will either learn to shoot or the team is screwed.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Here's a hypothetical from the Wizards post-game show: Would you absolutely rule out trading John Wall for a very high lottery pick?

[No Excuses]

I wouldn't trade him because the guy replacing him will absolutely not have the ceiling Wall does.

This entire team needs guidance. There is absolutely no plan with this team right now. What is our identity? We have none. Get some real NBA coaches in here.

---------- Post added April-14th-2012 at 10:37 PM ----------

By the way, it is completely unacceptable for Seraphin to be this bad at rebounding. This HAS to improve next year.

[StillUnknown]

Here's a hypothetical from the Wizards post-game show: Would you absolutely rule out trading John Wall for a very high lottery pick?

I would rule it out because it creates a hole for us at PG. You only make that move if you have a plan to bring in something competent at pg in return. Just gazing around, there is anything better out there to be had.

Too soon to give up on Wall, got to see how he responds to a real coach. If we're still asking these same questions of Wall next season, I'd reconsider.

[stevemcqueen1]

Here's a hypothetical from the Wizards post-game show: Would you absolutely rule out trading John Wall for a very high lottery pick?

I asked something like this yesterday. I'd only (briefly) consider it for the #1 pick, assuming we didn't win it ourselves. Also assuming Davis finally declares.

But I wouldn't do it in the end. Too hard to find a PG worth it. We won't find one as special as Wall for a while. And building around Wall + Vesely + high draft pick is better than building around Davis + Vesely + same high draft pick.

[Hersh]

Here's a hypothetical from the Wizards post-game show: Would you absolutely rule out trading John Wall for a very high lottery pick?

I would definitely do it for the number one pick if Davis comes out because dominant point guards, who are the best player on their team, generally don't win NBA championships. Not that a PG can't play a huge role, but big men and shooting guards are more important than PGs.

[stevemcqueen1]

I would definitely do it for the number one pick if Davis comes out because dominant point guards, who are the best player on their team, generally don't win NBA championships. Not that a PG can't play a huge role, but big men and shooting guards are more important than PGs.

Definitely not true for shooting guards. PG is arguably the most individually important position on the floor.

Today, what teams are good without good PG play? Only Miami really, and they have two top five players who both run the point..

---------- Post added April-15th-2012 at 10:09 AM ----------

Vesely is farther ahead than Booker was at this point last year IMO. He doesn't score as well, but as a defender and rebounder, he's better. That's encouraging to me. He's going to be good player.

[Warhead36]

I don't see how trading Wall makes us better at all. We'd have NO PG and while Davis is a beast, frontcourt is actually looking pretty solid right now with Nene/Seraphin/Booker. Yeah Davis will be a stud but I still think Wall will be, so overall our team would be worse if Davis were to replace Wall.

I think we have to keep building around Wall. We need quality shooters at the 2 and 3. I also think Wall will make a big jump next year with a brand new coaching staff and full offseason to improve.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't see how trading Wall makes us better at all. We'd have NO PG and while Davis is a beast, frontcourt is actually looking pretty solid right now with Nene/Seraphin/Booker. Yeah Davis will be a stud but I still think Wall will be, so overall our team would be worse if Davis were to replace Wall.

I think we have to keep building around Wall. We need quality shooters at the 2 and 3. I also think Wall will make a big jump next year with a brand new coaching staff and full offseason to improve.

That's my point too. In a vacuum, you consider this deal more but with what we've already got on the roster, swapping out a PG for even a slightly better PF makes the total roster weaker.

There is also TRob and Sully and Drummond in this class, one of which *should* be available when we pick. There won't be a PG as good a prospect as Wall for a while.

[SiCkSoULjA]

Building around vessly are you serious? That sounds rediculous and just plain silly. Vessly is a solid player that his whole game revolves around hussling. He had numerous years in the pros over in Europe and may have the worst shot in the league. I am not saying he needs too be a good scorer but in some way you have too keep the defense honest and he doesn't, him on offense with Wall and more so Davis will struggle. Booker is way ahead of him, I am not saying he is worthless because he's a solid guy coming off the bench.

This team sucks so bad that I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel we are YEARS from being competive. We need the #1 pick draft Davis aNd we need another #1 pick or high first roind talent and some good free agent signings too turn it around.

Wall is very disappointing he's not a leader and he's not a person that can put the game on there shoulders and lead the team too victories. We need too pray that he some how is able too turn the page.

[StillUnknown]

Vesely is farther ahead than Booker was at this point last year IMO. He doesn't score as well, but as a defender and rebounder, he's better. That's encouraging to me. He's going to be good player.

Despite my objections to drafting him, and the fact that there is about a 50/50 chance his jumpshot will not even hit the rim, I like the guy. He shows promise in every area but scoring.

That said, unless he figures out a way to score besides dunking, he's going to end up being a rotational/energy guy off the bench.

[Hersh]

Definitely not true for shooting guards. PG is arguably the most individually important position on the floor.

Today, what teams are good without good PG play? Only Miami really, and they have two top five players who both run the point.

Look at the past 20 NBA championships and list the key players to each. How many key players were PGs compared to shooting guards? In fact, how many teams in which the point guard was the best player on that team have won an NBA title.

Maybe Wall will be a superstar, but he might also leave in a couple of years. If given the chance to trade straight up Wall for Davis, I would take Davis.

---------- Post added April-15th-2012 at 04:24 PM ----------

Today, what teams are good without good PG play? Only Miami really, and they have two top five players who both run the point.

Teams in the Eastern conference playoffs without an Elite PG: Miami, Indiana, Atlanta, Orlando, New York, Philadelpia

Teams in the West playoffs without an Elite PG: Lakers, Memphis, Dallas, Denver and Houston (Denver and Houston have good point guards to be sure, but certainly not elite)

[Warhead36]

If Vesley were a 2nd rounder or even mid to late 1st, he would have been an awesome pick. But he was taken 6th overall. That's a premium pick, a pick like that shouldn't get us a guy that'll take years to maybe develop into a rotation player.

[RonArtest15]

If Vesley were a 2nd rounder or even mid to late 1st, he would have been an awesome pick. But he was taken 6th overall. That's a premium pick, a pick like that shouldn't get us a guy that'll take years to maybe develop into a rotation player.

Makes you wonder how Kawhi Leonard would have looked as the 6th overall pick instead of Vesely....

[stevemcqueen1]

If Vesley were a 2nd rounder or even mid to late 1st, he would have been an awesome pick. But he was taken 6th overall. That's a premium pick, a pick like that shouldn't get us a guy that'll take years to maybe develop into a rotation player.

Vesely is already a good rotation player. He's certainly got the tools to become a good starting PF. I think people are being ridiculous in their expectations for him early on. He's blown away every expectation I had for him going into the year. He's our best defensive player already, and is a legitimately good defender and rebounder right now. Last year's class blew. Vesely was a fine pick at six. He's going to work out and be a good player.