The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Mr Awesome]

Terrence Jones = Jeff Green.

Everyone on here was talking about signing Jeff Green...well, here's the younger and less risky version.

[stevemcqueen1]

That Austin Rivers video gets ugly at the end.

Even Nick Young was impressed after watching that display of selfishness and shot jacking. Nobody wants to play with a guy like that.

His scoring ability is absolutely electric. During the Ohio State game he did something so crazy they pan into the crowd to where LeBron and DWade were sitting and even they were outwardly impressed. Wade had a look on his face like he just thought to himself, "Damn, this kid can score."

But Rivers is simply not the type of player we need to draft. We're just got rid of a bunch of our selfish players. We're just now getting to the point where we're playing ball like a real team. Rivers could be our best scorer by his first or second year but still make us worse.

[Skins199021]

Yea I want Beal or trade the pick for Harden

We need an actual outside threat and one that doens't just chuck the ball up (Young/Crawford)

[stevemcqueen1]

We're not going to trade the pick for Harden.

For starters, we couldn't beat Charlotte's preexisting offer.

Second, Ted already said we're not trading the third pick for a veteran(s).

Also, I'm not convinced that would be our best move. Harden wouldn't necessarily be Harden here. For one thing, he'd be our starting 2G and #1 offensive option. By those two factors alone, he'd have a much different role here than he does in OKC where he's the third option and the sixth man.

[StillUnknown]

We're not going to trade the pick for Harden.

For starters, we couldn't beat Charlotte's preexisting offer.

Second, Ted already said we're not trading the third pick for a veteran(s).

Also, I'm not convinced that would be our best move. Harden wouldn't necessarily be Harden here. For one thing, he'd be our starting 2G and #1 offensive option. By those two factors alone, he'd have a much different role here than he does in OKC where he's the third option and the sixth man.

He'd be a massive roster upgrade for us though. Just because it would be a different role for Harden, doesn't mean he wouldn't be up to fulfilling the extra responsibilities.

[nuposse87]

Steve, how in the world can you justify taking Beal at #3 thats insanity, you even said so last week.

Honestly for example what does he do better then Barnes?

Rebound? Put him on Unc doubtful. Beal did' nt rebound that well in high school and played Sf this year with shotjacking guards and no legit bigs.

I take all these guys over Beal without hesitation
Davis
Drummond
Barnes
Mkg
Trob

He is' nt a top 3 pick in any draft, period

I already showed you a statistical breakdown of how Beal was a better played in his freshman year than Barnes has been in his 2 seasons. You haven't given one coherent argument other than explaining why Barnes is a better prospect. Do I have to give you the break down again?

---------- Post added June-15th-2012 at 03:16 PM ----------

He'd be a massive roster upgrade for us though. Just because it would be a different role for Harden, doesn't mean he wouldn't be up to fulfilling the extra responsibilities.

He is also a FA after 2013, depending on who we draft will let us know if we're going to make a big run at him. As it stands now, I would see OKC paying up to keep him, even if that is near max money.

[Skins199021]

Well than Ted would be an idiot not to do so if the oppurtunity presented itself.

Harden averaged almost 17 points a game on 10 FGAs per game. He isn't the "6th man" because he can't start they just do it for the matchups I guess, but to think he cannot start is absurd. Plus ok he is a veteran.... but he is 22 that is not mortgaging the future at all..... that would just be enhancing it.

[stevemcqueen1]

He'd be a massive roster upgrade for us though. Just because it would be a different role for Harden, doesn't mean he wouldn't be up to fulfilling the extra responsibilities.

True. Point is, you're paying a premium for OKC James Harden and you're not entirely sure what you'll be getting in return--other than the absolute fact that it won't be OKC James Harden.

These kinds of moves for veteran players--especially "systemy" guys like Harden--always carry far more risk than fans typically acknowledge.

I don't want to get stuck paying a premium for stats a guy produced for some other team.

Then there is also the matter of his contract.

Harden just isn't going to happen. I'm not sure I'd want it to, even if it were in consideration. I think that kind of move is short sighted and smacks of old Wizards and would cap us out at mediocre.

[Skins199021]

yes getting a top SG who is 22 is very short-sighted.....

I mean you probably do a trade based on him signing an extension like any trade involving a soon to be FA. He is not a systemy guy, he shot nearly 50%. We would be absolutely lucky if out draft pick becomes as good as harden.

He is one year older than Wall and much much better

[stevemcqueen1]

It'd be ironic if we dealt away the third pick to acquire Harden, a player drafted the year we got ourselves in trouble for dealing away a top five pick for veterans who filled short term needs.

---------- Post added June-15th-2012 at 04:43 PM ----------

yes getting a top SG who is 22 is very short-sighted.....

I mean you probably do a trade based on him signing an extension like any trade involving a soon to be FA. He is not a systemy guy, he shot nearly 50%. We would be absolutely lucky if out draft pick becomes as good as harden.

Harden is a marginal athlete and the third scoring option on his team PLUS he's a sixth man. If that doesn't scream system player to you then I don't know what to tell you.

There is simply no way he'd be as good for us as he is for OKC. Just going from the third to first option alone ensures that. He's a low touches jumpshooter and facilitator who brings a spark off the bench.

Wait a sec, I don't even know why I'm getting sucked into this argument, it's simply not going to happen.

[Skins199021]

It'd be ironic if we dealt away the third pick to acquire Harden, a player drafted the year we got ourselves in trouble for dealing away a top five pick for veterans who filled short term needs.

---------- Post added June-15th-2012 at 04:43 PM ----------



Probably not

But still i feel like thats nuts. So tell me you think Thabo is better than Harden, and thats why Harden is the "6th man"? If he plays say 37 minutes a game he averages over 20 points a game. He is no more a system guy than Westbrook is and he is a hell a lot more efficient than Westy.

Ur in the all draft pick trades for someone in the league is bad group. Yes thats was the skins did but they were just dumb, not because they traded draft picks, but because they traded its for players that were 30+ not 22.

If you wouldn't deal 3 and our 2 for Harden + an extension I am extremely glad you are not the Wiz GM.

Again you bring up that foye/Miller trade as if it has any bearing on this..... not Ernie was just ****ing stupid and that isn't hindsight everyone knew it then too. I wanted Derozan so bad and than we trade for scrubs.

Harden is a marginal athlete and the third scoring option on his team PLUS he's a sixth man. If that doesn't scream system player to you then I don't know what to tell you.

There is simply no way he'd be as good for us as he is for OKC. Just going from the third to first option alone ensures that. He's a low touches jumpshooter and facilitator who brings a spark off the bench.

Wait a sec, I don't even know why I'm getting sucked into this argument, it's simply not going to happen.

[stevemcqueen1]

I feel like Harden's role as the sixth man is being misunderstood, and not by me.

Harden is a sixth man in the same way Manu is a sixth man.

Harden coming off the bench as the sixth man does not mean that Thabo Sefalosha is a better overall player than him.

It means that Thabo is a better fit in the starting lineup between Westbrook and Durant because he can defend.

BUT, having Harden come off the bench means he plays against the second line more often than a regular starter. It means his matchups are more favorable than a regular starter. And in addition to that, he's a secondary or tertiary offensive option at almost all times he's in the game. He's in his absolute ideal situation right now, a situation we can't replicate.

His efficiency would drop once he becomes a regular starter and a primary option. That's simply reality no matter where he ended up. Defensive pressure would be much higher for him. Efficiency is by far his greatest selling point.

Not to mention he'll no longer get to play alongside two top fifteen players, one of which is the pre-eminent scorer in the league.

[Skins199021]

Oh come on he doesn't play over 30 min per game and not play against starters. He did perfectly fine last night (actually extremely well) and he played 35 min against Miami's starters most of the time

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't want us to be in the business of trading picks for veterans. I want us to be in the business of drafting and developing our own players that fit within our own organization, where we get to enjoy their rookie contract contribution ourselves.

---------- Post added June-15th-2012 at 06:27 PM ----------

Oh come on he doesn't play over 30 min per game and not play against starters. He did perfectly fine last night (actually extremely well) and he played 35 min against Miami's starters most of the time

BUT, having Harden come off the bench means he plays against the second line more often than a regular starter. It means his matchups are more favorable than a regular starter.

[Destino]

Well than Ted would be an idiot not to do so if the oppurtunity presented itself.

Harden averaged almost 17 points a game on 10 FGAs per game. He isn't the "6th man" because he can't start they just do it for the matchups I guess, but to think he cannot start is absurd. Plus ok he is a veteran.... but he is 22 that is not mortgaging the future at all..... that would just be enhancing it.

Rookies are cheaper.