The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Destino]

This offseason has backfired on Dallas big time, unless they can get Dwight but is Dallas even that attractive of a place to go to? Dirk is getting older and they aren't too loyal of a franchise anyways.

I posted a similar observation in the nba thread. No DWill and Howard doesn't look likely... Why didn't they keep Chandler again? I think they screwed themselves.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

I posted a similar observation in the nba thread. No DWill and Howard doesn't look likely... Why didn't they keep Chandler again? I think they screwed themselves.

they couldnt afford him

[DallasBlowsBig]

alright my bad Steve, I probably didn't read your post closely, I tend to do some fast skimming while I am working on other things so I apologize. It would be awesome to see Dwight play with John Wall. I just don't like how Dwight was once such a humble player and now has turned into such a diva. I mean he is damn good I just don't agree with his personality.

[Destino]

BTW let's talk about this major market nonsense. Anyone think Melo and Amere are more famous nice moving to NY? If anything I feel like the Knicks are the NBA's least respected significant team. Meanwhile OKC is shining and Kyrie Irving is "getting buckets" on my TV in an old man suit. I think the entire concept of it being worth it to play in a major media market is crap manufactured by the media themselves.

Miami is not a large market, either, people just pretend it is.

---------- Post added July-4th-2012 at 09:20 PM ----------

they couldnt afford him

Yes they could. They chose not to in order to have space for a major signing.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

BTW let's talk about this major market nonsense. Anyone think Melo and Amere are more famous nice moving to NY? If anything I feel like the Knicks are the NBA's least respected significant team. Meanwhile OKC is shining and Kyrie Irving is "getting buckets" on my TV in an old man suit. I think the entire concept of it being worth it to play in a major media market is crap manufactured by the media themselves.

Miami is not a large market, either, people just pretend it is.

no it isnt.

Go through the history of NBA champions. You have outliers like San Antonio (who some how got derided for being boring) and then Milwaukee. The rest are big market teams.

The Knicks stink and have an overrated history but players wanted to go there after they finally got some money.

Yes they could. They chose not to in order to have space for a major signing.

no, they couldnt afford it

they were already over the cap last season and no one knew what the CBA would be. With the luxury tax penalty, that Chandler contract would have been very high. ON top of that, Chandler's contract will be very bad in a couple of seasons and Dallas was not going to repeat.

[Destino]

They had a chance to sign him after the CBA and still chose not to worrying about cap space. Since then they've shed Butler, Terry, Barrea, Chandler, and Kidd. The new cap penalties haven't even kicked in yet.

[RonArtest15]

Another caveat in reference to Amare's horrible contract......it's uninsured.

Good luck moving that.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

They had a chance to sign him after the CBA and still chose not to worrying about cap space. Since then they've shed Butler, Terry, Barrea, Chandler, and Kidd. The new cap penalties haven't even kicked in yet.

But the luxury tax penalties will kick in 2013

Chandler signed a 4 year deal so thats 2 years under the harsh tax at 14 million a year for a center who relies on his athleticism but has been injury prone in his career.

That contract is going to look really bad within a year or 2 for the Knicks and they will not be anymore closer to an NBA title.

And on top of that, Tyson Chandler would not have made the Mavericks an NBA title team again. That was a lightning in the bottle type of run.

Barrea got overpaid in Minnesota too and really isnt that good.

I am not saying that the Mavericks didnt take an L this offseason, but I understood why they did it. THey had to get young.

[Destino]

no it isnt.

Go through the history of NBA champions. You have outliers like San Antonio (who some how got derided for being boring) and then Milwaukee. The rest are big market teams.

The Knicks stink and have an overrated history but players wanted to go there after they finally got some money.

7 of the last 14 NBA titles have been won by media markets outside the top ten.
Lakers 5
Dallas 1
Boston 1

San Antonio 4
Miami 2
Detroit 1

Times change, there is no more Celtic, Laker, and Bulls dominance (which is why major markets have dominated). My point however was that the players themselves are reaping the rewards. Winning + good agent > media market.

---------- Post added July-4th-2012 at 09:57 PM ----------

What penalties? The only major contract thy have today is Dirk. After him they have two stupid deals with Haywood and Carter. They have plenty of room.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

7 of the last 14 NBA titles have been won by media markets outside the top ten.
Lakers 5
Dallas 1
Boston 1

San Antonio 4
Miami 2
Detroit 1

Times change, there is no more Celtic, Laker, and Bulls dominance (which is why major markets have dominated). My point however was that the players themselves are reaping the rewards. Winning + good agent > media market.

Detroit was a big market at that time. Its a cesspool now, but it was big back then and they were able to sign decent free agents.

Miami is a big market in NBA terms. No taxes and South Beach.

I already mentioned San Antonio


And Jeremy Lin is a huge star right now? If he had that run in Milwaukee, it doesnt get 1/10th of the coverage.

And its not times changing, lol. Celtics and Lakers are still two of the best teams in the league. Wake me up when Minnesota has a chance or Milwaukee or Sacramento or even New Orleans. The NBA has always been like this.

What penalties? The only major contract thy have today is Dirk. After him they have two stupid deals with Haywood and Carter. They have plenty of room.

this is AFTER they didnt pay those other guys.

I agree those contracts to Haywood (they gave that out before the CBA, iirc) and Carter were stupid but Chandler will be a bad deal in the future as well.

here is a look at the penalties
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

[Destino]

If you want to redefine what big market means as it suits you, I can't argue with that. In reality however Miami and Detroit aren't big markets.

In fact Miami has a market about the size of the TWolves.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Im not redefining what a big market is. Miami is a big market, or a place where players want to play. And Detroit was major back then, its a cesspool now where no one wants to go.


Minnesota wont be signing any big time free agents any time soon.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

BTW let's talk about this major market nonsense. Anyone think Melo and Amere are more famous nice moving to NY? If anything I feel like the Knicks are the NBA's least respected significant team. Meanwhile OKC is shining and Kyrie Irving is "getting buckets" on my TV in an old man suit. I think the entire concept of it being worth it to play in a major media market is crap manufactured by the media themselves.

Miami is not a large market, either, people just pretend it is.

Good article on market size and the NBA. Everything you're talking about. Also has list of markets by size. DC is #9.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2011...-numbers-game/


Btw, I've been saying on here for a couple of years now that either Dwight, Blake Griffin or DeMarcus Cousins will be playing in DC. I will be right.

[Skin'emAlive]

Well, Griffin aint coming here. He is Hollywood now. Dwight isnt coming here because he wants to win. Cousins is the only possibility.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Well, Griffin aint coming here. He is Hollywood now. Dwight isnt coming here because he wants to win. Cousins is the only possibility.

You really think winning is Dwight's sole motivation?