The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Duckus]

It's happening in Basketball and Football for DC. Other teams seem to be able to rebuild faster. Must be something in the Potomac.

Mike Rizzo
Ernie Grunfeld
Bruce Allen

One of the above is not like the others.

Rizzo is an actual a GM that is well respected around the league and has a long term plan. Grunfeld is an idiot who is considered a joke by most NBA professionals. Bruce Allen is a "GM" but doesn't make personnel decisions and instead is in charge of pep-rally preparations.

Hmmmmm, I just can't figure out why the Wiz and Redskins are having such a hard time rebuilding . . . .

[stevemcqueen1]

Love the sig. Everybody should email and tweet Leonsis and include the picture.......every single time.

Someone should do something clever on photoshop to this:

[Duckus]

Someone should do something clever on photoshop to this:

I might do that tonight

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Someone should do something clever on photoshop to this:

http://www.dontdodumbthings.com/wp-c...02/pantsed.jpg

Too funny.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

http://deadspin.com/5960701/deadspin...ain-of-failure

So true, it hurts.

yeah, I said this many times to Wizard fans for many years. "Nah yung, Jamison good. He get dem point jo."

yeah, ok

[Hersh]

IMO one of the biggest problems in the NBA and what plagues a lot of teams, including the Wiz, is the dreaded one and done rule for college players. Teams are forced to take players that still need multiple years to develop and have to decide on giving out big contracts to players based on potential. The NBA desperately needs a rule similar to the NFL or MLB to help teams build with younger players that are further along in their development.

[RonArtest15]

IMO one of the biggest problems in the NBA and what plagues a lot of teams, including the Wiz, is the dreaded one and done rule for college players. Teams are forced to take players that still need multiple years to develop and have to decide on giving out big contracts to players based on potential. The NBA desperately needs a rule similar to the NFL or MLB to help teams build with younger players that are further along in their development.

How is the one and done rule hurting the Wizards? Specifically, which players? Wall, Beal, and Ariza are the current guys who fall in that category.

Wall was more than deserving of the #1 pick and has shown he can flat out play in this league.

Ariza left college 8-9 years ago, so this statement doesn't really ring true for him now.

Beal...he's 7 games into his career. WAY too early to give up on him.

[Hersh]

How is the one and done rule hurting the Wizards? Specifically, which players? Wall, Beal, and Ariza are the current guys who fall in that category.

Wall was more than deserving of the #1 pick and has shown he can flat out play in this league.

Ariza left college 8-9 years ago, so this statement doesn't really ring true for him now.

Beal...he's 7 games into his career. WAY too early to give up on him.

Look at all the teams running in place in this league. Teams are forced to have to pick between 19-20 year-old players that are so raw and they have a short window to develop them before having to decide whether to lock up huge amounts of cap room. The Wizards have had this problem when drafting over the last several years when not drafting #1. I'm actually a big supporter of Beal, advocated drafting him over everyone else and I won't give up in him any time soon. In fact, I think given his age, the criticisms of him in this thread have been comical. I just think it would be better for teams to know more about players than 30 games in college.
As far as Wall goes, he is a good player, but still can't shoot and still has a lot to prove. Yet, I think after this season he's up for his extension already. Is he a max player?

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

The one and done rule has not done a damn thing with NBA development.


Talent is talent. Some players are talented, some are not. David Aldridge had a great article over the summer where he actually analyzed HS, One and Done, 2 and done, 3 years, and 4 year players since KG entered the NBA in '95. The better NBA players actually come from the HS and one and done types.


The real problem with the Wizards, and a lot of teams, is that there are not that many great-franchise changing players in each draft. If you do not have a pick in the top 4, then you are messed up most years.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 10:10 PM ----------

another 2 years of college would not make Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant a better player, just like another year would not make Tyreke Evans or Demar Derozean better players.

Nick Young went to USC for 3 years, look at him.

[Duckus]

Someone should do something clever on photoshop to this:

[Hersh]

The one and done rule has not done a damn thing with NBA development.


Talent is talent. Some players are talented, some are not. David Aldridge had a great article over the summer where he actually analyzed HS, One and Done, 2 and done, 3 years, and 4 year players since KG entered the NBA in '95. The better NBA players actually come from the HS and one and done types.


The real problem with the Wizards, and a lot of teams, is that there are not that many great-franchise changing players in each draft. If you do not have a pick in the top 4, then you are messed up most years.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 10:10 PM ----------

another 2 years of college would not make Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant a better player, just like another year would not make Tyreke Evans or Demar Derozean better players.

Nick Young went to USC for 3 years, look at him.

I'm not talking about the superstars going 1st or 2nd every year. That's easy. I'm talking about the ones lower down in the lottery. Nick Young is a great example. The Wizards knew exactly what they were getting.

You're right though. Clearly, the more 19 and 20 year old players in the league now is really helping the quality of basketball out there. Giving major deals to 23 and 24 year old players, locking up cap room, that's been great for the league and all the teams stuck in lottery hell.

[stevemcqueen1]

another 2 years of college would not make Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant a better player, just like another year would not make Tyreke Evans or Demar Derozean better players.

Nick Young went to USC for 3 years, look at him.

I think Kyrie could absolutely have used a couple more years in college. He played what, 9 games at Duke? It was clear he had talent. But it's also clear he had no clue how to pass or play defense before getting to the NBA.

He could have gotten to the NBA a multidimensional player already if he'd had more time in college.

I think the one and done rule (or no rule prior to its instillation in 2006) has absolutely hurt the entire NBA and you see the problem in how awful the NBA is at developing its young talent.

It's a joke. The NBA has guaranteed contracts and it's got nowhere near the injury problem football does, but the sport does an abysmal job actualizing its talent. Busts are the norm, maybe two all stars come out of the average class, and only a small handful of players even make it long term. So many players never get better than what they were in college. Gems shine through and the cream rises to the top as always in anything. But the reason there are soooo few franchise players in BBall is, in part, because the league does an abominable job developing them.

LKB talked about it a while back. You don't get a chance to develop young talent like you do in other sports. It's a few short weeks of camp, then the season is underway and most of the practice time and coaching attention goes to the starters and game prep rather than teaching and development. You do your developing on your own in the summer. Even good vet players don't usually experiment with new things during the season.

Wall could have definitely used more time in college. He's the same player he was as a freshman at Kentucky.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 10:54 PM ----------

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Well done sir!

[RonArtest15]

Look at all the teams running in place in this league. Teams are forced to have to pick between 19-20 year-old players that are so raw and they have a short window to develop them before having to decide whether to lock up huge amounts of cap room. The Wizards have had this problem when drafting over the last several years when not drafting #1. I'm actually a big supporter of Beal, advocated drafting him over everyone else and I won't give up in him any time soon. In fact, I think given his age, the criticisms of him in this thread have been comical. I just think it would be better for teams to know more about players than 30 games in college.
As far as Wall goes, he is a good player, but still can't shoot and still has a lot to prove. Yet, I think after this season he's up for his extension already. Is he a max player?

John Wall is up for an extension in 2 years. That being said, I'm more interested in how he runs a team over his shooting %. Of course he has a lot to prove, but he's been a damn good player for us considering the circumstances. His #'s after 2 seasons are really good in comparison to other PGs around the league. Not saying you, but there are a lot of Wizards "fans" who don't appreciate how good he actually is. I had a rant a few pages back and one of those fans I mentioned said that Wall's body language on the bench was a tell-tale sign that he won't amount to much in the league. This is where we are as a fanbase and these are the type of arm-chair morons that think they know the game.

Now, as far as the one and done players, Asiatic hit the nail on the head. Talent is talent. If you are NBA-ready, you can improve your deficiencies w/ on the job training through practices and games. Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, etc. had NOTHING to prove after their lone seasons at their respective schools. They were that good.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

I'm not talking about the superstars going 1st or 2nd every year. That's easy. I'm talking about the ones lower down in the lottery. Nick Young is a great example. The Wizards knew exactly what they were getting.

You're right though. Clearly, the more 19 and 20 year old players in the league now is really helping the quality of basketball out there. Giving major deals to 23 and 24 year old players, locking up cap room, that's been great for the league and all the teams stuck in lottery hell.

an great scorer, thats what they thought they were getting. Instead, dude is an efficient chucker.

And the quality of basketball is actually quite good, better than its been since the 80s, so I will say yes thanks.


College basketball isnt, and hasnt been, a place to develop players since the 80s, and I am starting to believe it never has been about that because all that happened in the old days is that guys didnt leave when they should have..

If the Toronto Raptors want to bid against themselves and give Demar Derozan a ridiculously big contract for little production, thats on them. Not on the players. Same is true for Ernie giving Blatche that ridiculous contract based off 2 months of inefficient play.

Fans love blaming players for general managers giving bad contracts.

I think Kyrie could absolutely have used a couple more years in college. He played what, 9 games at Duke? It was clear he had talent. But it's also clear he had no clue how to pass or play defense before getting to the NBA.

He could have gotten to the NBA a multidimensional player already if he'd had more time in college.

so you believe Kyrie was going to learn how to play defense against sorry players at Duke? By learning how to take charges and flop? Hell to nah, no chance. He didnt need to play a game in college to be the player he is right now and becoming. If anything, he risked his career by playing that season at Duke because he also got that foot which people feared could have ended his career.

Allen Iverson won DPOY at Georgetown in the Big East. Iverson was never a good NBA defender. Steve Francis also won the award at UMD in the ACC. Francis was never a good defender. Nolan Smith is a garbage NBA defender despite spending 4 years at Duke (he not a good NBAplayer period). Its something that ESPN and NCAA coaches have propagated forever and its bunk.

I think the one and done rule (or no rule prior to its instillation in 2006) has absolutely hurt the entire NBA and you see the problem in how awful the NBA is at developing its young talent.

It's a joke. The NBA has guaranteed contracts and it's got nowhere near the injury problem football does, but the sport does an abysmal job actualizing its talent. Busts are the norm, maybe two all stars come out of the average class, and only a small handful of players even make it long term. So many players never get better than what they were in college. Gems shine through and the cream rises to the top as always in anything. But the reason there are soooo few franchise players in BBall is, in part, because the league does an abominable job developing them.

LKB talked about it a while back. You don't get a chance to develop young talent like you do in other sports. It's a few short weeks of camp, then the season is underway and most of the practice time and coaching attention goes to the starters and game prep rather than teaching and development. You do your developing on your own in the summer. Even good vet players don't usually experiment with new things during the season.

Wall could have definitely used more time in college. He's the same player he was as a freshman at Kentucky.

here is the Aldridge article on one and done, etc. Its not the problem.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/feature...ate/index.html



Now there is a real problem in this country in basketball talent development and coaching. Its why the rest of the world really are catching up to his in bball. The problem is at a period well before the NBA. The college game is about winning, most of those coaches dont care about player development at all. It starts back before HS with youth coaches, and then it goes on with these AAU and travelling teams. IF you want to know why John Wall plays the same way he has since he was a freshman at UK, its because he has played that way all of his life and gotten away with it. Same with Russy, Rose, and the other combo guards out there in the NBA, its how they always played. Same is true with guys like Kobe, Durant, and Bron. Same is true for a guy like Blake Griffin, and many others as well. The link is broken well before college and thats why we are stuck with big men who dont have post games, guards who cant shoot and dribble with their heads down, or guards who cant dribble the ball at all. Thats the real problem. Until the coaching and development between 12-18 is fixed, players can stay 1 one year or 4 years in college, they gonna be what they are technically.

[Hersh]

John Wall is up for an extension in 2 years. That being said, I'm more interested in how he runs a team over his shooting %. Of course he has a lot to prove, but he's been a damn good player for us considering the circumstances. His #'s after 2 seasons are really good in comparison to other PGs around the league. Not saying you, but there are a lot of Wizards "fans" who don't appreciate how good he actually is. I had a rant a few pages back and one of those fans I mentioned said that Wall's body language on the bench was a tell-tale sign that he won't amount to much in the league. This is where we are as a fanbase and these are the type of arm-chair morons that think they know the game.

Now, as far as the one and done players, Asiatic hit the nail on the head. Talent is talent. If you are NBA-ready, you can improve your deficiencies w/ on the job training through practices and games. Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, etc. had NOTHING to prove after their lone seasons at their respective schools. They were that good.

James Harden and Blake Griffin signed their extensions this off-season and they were drafted in 2009 while Wall was drafted in 2010. In July 2013, Wall is eligible for an extension unless something changed regarding contracts.

Again, you are saying that the guys that went 1st or 2nd in the draft are NBA ready. Some would disagree especially when it comes to how well rounded this players are on the court and their maturity off the court, but after the 1st and 2nd players in the draft, how many are NBA ready after one year in college. Yet, those are the players coming out and littering the league.