The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Destino]

I thought this was about dungeons and dragons or world of warcraft in my state.

To the uninitiated our discussions appear to be mundane commentary concerning a failed sports team few would be interested in. Begone cowan!

[Jumbo]

To the uninitiated our discussions appear to be mundane commentary concerning a failed sports team few would be interested in. Begone cowan!

Oh. This is about Cowan the Bawbawian?

[stevemcqueen1]

OMG, NO IT ISNT!

Mayo can defend, he can rebound, he can shoot, and he can create for himself and others.

The defending stuff is subjective, but Mayo is a decent creator for others. Im not sure Beal can dribble a basketball on an NBA level. And Mayo is a better athlete than Beal.

This Beal thing, I really dont understand it.


Good grief, Mayo is shooting 60 percent from 3 point land this year.


Mayo fell out in Memphis because they have Rudy Gay, and Hollins likes Gay more than Mayo.

OMG YES IT IS!

Mayo is 25, I don't think he's got much upside left. Is he going to see drastic growth in his game moving forward? Doubt it.

Mayo can't defend. And I don't think that's any more subjective than making any other judgement about a player. Mayo himself said the reason they demoted him was defense. It's not better in Dallas either, the DMN published an article about Mayo talking about how Carlisle ripped him for his defense. I think Mayo wants to be a good defender and he's a smart, athletic player. He's just not a good defender.

Also Mayo is not a guy who creates for others well nor is he a particularly good rebounder. Certainly not as good a rebounder as Beal is. Mayo has a career A/TO ratio of 1.3 (2.7/2.1), not good, and he's only averaged 3.3 rebounds per game.

Mayo is a gifted scorer, good shooter and good slasher. That's what he is. He can score at an All Star level when he's the featured guy like he has been these first 11 games in Dallas. But he brings nothing else to the table and he's a bit of a gunner. He has not been an efficient player throughout his career. That 60% 3 pt % is going to come down. He's a career .380 3 pt shooter, not bad, but not great. And his .490 FG% is coming down too, he's a career .435 shooter, again not bad, but not very good. Especially considering how good a slasher he is. Career 14.3 PER, which doesn't even really punish him for his defensive weakness.

You really think Gay is the reason Memphis let him walk? They don't even play the same position. They let Mayo walk because they were a better team the less they used him. Tony Allen brought more to the table and they started winning after they demoted Mayo. Mayo is a really smart, humble, hardworking guy by all accounts. Doesn't seem like a bad teammate at all. Has a ton of talent and athleticism. But he's too one dimensional to be the best player for most teams if they want to win.

[pjfootballer]

getting killed by Gordon Hayward...............thats about right

Better than Gordon Gecco.

Bookers shot is ugly. Looks like a catapult.

Now that's funny.

[stevemcqueen1]

I disagree that Beal projects to be better than Mayo. Watch what Mayo does this season. I'd be THRILLED if Beal could match Mayo's rookie numbers this season but I strongly doubt he will. Beal has problems with fundamental skills for guards, like dribbling the ball and creating his own shot. Mayo didnt have those gaps and he had better numbers in college.

As for the team, first you win then you get good. This idea of running a basketball camp and molding a championship is absurd. You draft a good player and then you build, fight, and buy yourself the rest of the way. Players will go to a average playoff team much more frequently than a squad wondering when they'll win a damn game. I don't hate Beal, I hate that we put our selves in a position where we have to rely on him.

I don't think Mayo's rookie season was that great. If Beal gets comparable minutes and shots to Mayo, I think he could match them. He's probably a more efficient player than Mayo was.

Mayo's superior numbers in college don't mean much to me. Kenny Boynton was a JR and Erving Walker was a SR and those were Florida's two main guys prior to Beal. Beal was a freshman and had to claw out PT and shots.

I think you're underestimating Beal's ball handling and ability to create off the dribble.

I also don't see the point of the Mayo talk. Did you know he turned down many more and bigger contract offers to play in Dallas? He specifically wanted to play for Carlisle and was going to Dallas. There is no way we would have gotten him.

The only way a bad team can get good without luring a major FA prize or trading for a Superstar is to buy low on a bunch of talent and then try and keep it together to give it a chance to mature and hopefully the pieces you bought end up getting good.

- Memphis
- Portland
- OKC
- San Antonio
- Chicago
- Indiana
- Philly

All current teams that built themselves primarily on drafting or buying low on talent and then developing their own. Minnesota and New Orleans probably going down that path too. Teams like Brooklyn, Miami, LA, Boston, and New York that can have it all fall together for them through FA and big time trades are more the exception than the rule. And if you notice, those franchises are in destination cities and/or are storied teams, not laughingstocks like us. DC is not Milwaukee. But it's not New York, LA, or Miami. It's a neutral factor at best.

Our only hope of building sustainable success is getting the right people in charge, then getting lucky and having some pieces we buy low on turn into high quality players. Sucks, but the NBA is not a level playing field and right now, we're the bottom of the heap.

[pjfootballer]

How are we always butt up against the cap? Who the hell are we paying? We have a D-league roster. How are we always unable to clear cap space?

We'll probably be the worst team in the league and end up with the 4th pick. We have an owner who is blind, a GM who is an idiot and a coach who is stupid.

Welcome to the dark side boys. I've been waiting for you. I can see in the last 40 pages or so, the posts are getting worse and worse. It's OK to not have any hope and still be a fan. I kept telling you guys this team was not a playoff team. Hell, I over estimated and gave them 35 wins. I'm changing to 22.

[Warhead36]

David Aldridge killing the Wizards. "They have as many wins as the Caps."

The Nats have won more recently than the Wizards and they haven't played a game in over a month.

[Thinking Skins]

The Nats have won more recently than the Wizards and they haven't played a game in over a month.

Wow, that hurts.

[StillUnknown]

Wow, that hurts.

The truth can be quite painful.

[Samuels]

Shabazz makes his debut tonight againest my Hoyas. They say he has been a monster in practice likely #1 pick.

[stevemcqueen1]

Shabazz makes his debut tonight againest my Hoyas. They say he has been a monster in practice likely #1 pick.

It's on ESPN2. Looking forward to watching it.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

OMG YES IT IS!

Mayo is 25, I don't think he's got much upside left. Is he going to see drastic growth in his game moving forward? Doubt it.

Mayo can't defend. And I don't think that's any more subjective than making any other judgement about a player. Mayo himself said the reason they demoted him was defense. It's not better in Dallas either, the DMN published an article about Mayo talking about how Carlisle ripped him for his defense. I think Mayo wants to be a good defender and he's a smart, athletic player. He's just not a good defender.

Also Mayo is not a guy who creates for others well nor is he a particularly good rebounder. Certainly not as good a rebounder as Beal is. Mayo has a career A/TO ratio of 1.3 (2.7/2.1), not good, and he's only averaged 3.3 rebounds per game.

Mayo is a gifted scorer, good shooter and good slasher. That's what he is. He can score at an All Star level when he's the featured guy like he has been these first 11 games in Dallas. But he brings nothing else to the table and he's a bit of a gunner. He has not been an efficient player throughout his career. That 60% 3 pt % is going to come down. He's a career .380 3 pt shooter, not bad, but not great. And his .490 FG% is coming down too, he's a career .435 shooter, again not bad, but not very good. Especially considering how good a slasher he is. Career 14.3 PER, which doesn't even really punish him for his defensive weakness.

You really think Gay is the reason Memphis let him walk? They don't even play the same position. They let Mayo walk because they were a better team the less they used him. Tony Allen brought more to the table and they started winning after they demoted Mayo. Mayo is a really smart, humble, hardworking guy by all accounts. Doesn't seem like a bad teammate at all. Has a ton of talent and athleticism. But he's too one dimensional to be the best player for most teams if they want to win.

Granted it only 10 games, but Mayo is looking like an All Star right now.

And yes, Gay is why they fell out with Mayo. Mayo and Gay both need the ball in the same spots on the court. Even though they play different positions, they are very similar players. Its like an inferior version of Bron and Wade for a few years, with the big difference being that Gay and Mayo were never friends

In fact, I feel things fell out of favor for Mayo after Tony Allen beat his ass over a tonk game.

And Mayo can defend, he isnt a great defender but he can defend. Beal hasnt shown me he can granted we are only 10 games into the season.

And Mayo can create offense for himself, which Beal just cant do.


Ive said it consistently, but this Brad Beal hype I never got. He did nothing to separate himself from others last year, but some how had this bandwagon with him over the last 18 months.

[Samuels]

Granted it only 10 games, but Mayo is looking like an All Star right now.

And yes, Gay is why they fell out with Mayo. Mayo and Gay both need the ball in the same spots on the court. Even though they play different positions, they are very similar players. Its like an inferior version of Bron and Wade for a few years, with the big difference being that Gay and Mayo were never friends

In fact, I feel things fell out of favor for Mayo after Tony Allen beat his ass over a tonk game.

And Mayo can defend, he isnt a great defender but he can defend. Beal hasnt shown me he can granted we are only 10 games into the season.

And Mayo can create offense for himself, which Beal just cant do.


Ive said it consistently, but this Brad Beal hype I never got. He did nothing to separate himself from others last year, but some how had this bandwagon with him over the last 18 months.

I said it at draft time Beal was overrated. He can't create for himself or teammates on a regular basis. He supposed shooting is suspect as well but everyone ignores stats to look at his 10 game hotstreak. I dont think he is even over 35%fg this season. His high rebounding numbers was because he played alot of Sf.

[Sticksboi05]

Keep up the losing! We need Ernie FIRED. GTFO and thanks for trying. You are a poor GM. One lucky trade to get Caron doesn't change that. Can someone start a Facebook petition to fire Ernie. The sad thing is with the losing, the Wiz fanbase is so apathetic now they won't make a stand,

[Destino]

How are we always butt up against the cap? Who the hell are we paying?

Everyone that wants to see the Wizards salary info should click the following link.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/yearly/

As for your question here are the Wizards top 5 contracts this season:

1 - Okafor (13,490,000)
2 - Nene (13,000,000)
3 - Ariza (7,258,960)
4 - Wall (5,915,880)
5 - Beal (4,133,280)