The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Skin'emAlive]

Wall has had a superb game. He looks a little bit slow at times. But his ups are certainly still there. His playmaking ability is crucial. Great game.

[Renegade7]

Stream started going out in late fourth quarter, but I still got to see Wall basically demand his team win this game. That leadership was impressive, and good to see so many wizards healthy for a change. Did someone say win streak? Cool.

[StillUnknown]

Stream started going out in late fourth quarter, but I still got to see Wall basically demand his team win this game. That leadership was impressive, and good to see so many wizards healthy for a change. Did someone say win streak? Cool.

Last team in the Association to win 2 in a row, gotta start somewhere I guess.

[stevemcqueen1]

Yes im watching the game. Have you watched Ves play all year? He is the same as he has been all season. Id take Singleton all day over him. Hell, id take Baron.

---------- Post added January-12th-2013 at 09:18 PM ----------

And yes, i would resign baron to play over ves.

I've seen almost every game this year. Have you?

I know full well what Ves brings to the table and what he takes away. He's struggled this year. He can't do anything offensively without good PG play. He's probably going to get better now that Wall is back. Regardless, he is and always has been a better option than Barron.

Barron got cut from the worst team in the league and currently has no team. What exactly does Barron bring to the table? What is one thing Barron did at a high level?

[ixcuincle]

Managed to catch a few minutes of the 4th while browsing around TV

Good win for the lads there

Good for Wall

[Skin'emAlive]

I've seen almost every game this year. Have you?

I know full well what Ves brings to the table and what he takes away. He's struggled this year. He can't do anything offensively without good PG play. He's probably going to get better now that Wall is back. Regardless, he is and always has been a better option than Barron.

Barron got cut from the worst team in the league and currently has no team. What exactly does Barron bring to the table? What is one thing Barron did at a high level?

Well, for one, I dont think Barron is good at all. That part was just a joke. But I do believe Singleton would bring more to the table than Ves.

Ves does not use his body. He uses his arms. This is why he picks up so many fouls. He cant shoot. Needs Wall to put the ball perfectly in place over the rim for him to score. He cant shoot free throws. Cant really rebound. Cant box out. And his only saving grace is his ability to help on off-ball defense.

[stevemcqueen1]

Well, for one, I dont think Barron is good at all. That part was just a joke. But I do believe Singleton would bring more to the table than Ves.

Ves does not use his body. He uses his arms. This is why he picks up so many fouls. He cant shoot. Needs Wall to put the ball perfectly in place over the rim for him to score. He cant shoot free throws. Cant really rebound. Cant box out. And his only saving grace is his ability to help on off-ball defense.

Ves is a 7 footer with quick feet, pretty good hands, good hops, and a good bball IQ. That combination is valuable. Nerlens Noel is going to be a top three pick on the same raw skill set. Ves has no offensive skills except passing and catching oops. Doesn't change the fact his tools are so valuable. A competent team develops that raw skill set into something workable. At any rate, he'll probably see a jump in his level of play now that Wall is back.

There is a reason Singleton lost his minutes and isn't playing. He hasn't done anything during the games and he's probably sucked it up during practice. And bottom line, Ves's raw tools are way better than Singleton's. If the choice is between developing Ves and developing Singleton, any team with a brain chooses Ves because his ceiling is far higher. Singleton's best case scenario is Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. Ves's best case scenario is AK-47 or Serge Ibaka.

[SiCkSoULjA]

Ves is a 7 footer with quick feet, pretty good hands, good hops, and a good bball IQ. That combination is valuable. Nerlens Noel is going to be a top three pick on the same raw skill set. Ves has no offensive skills except passing and catching oops. Doesn't change the fact his tools are so valuable. A competent team develops that raw skill set into something workable. At any rate, he'll probably see a jump in his level of play now that Wall is back.
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Dude you keep putting Noel and Vessley in the same sentence and it destroys any point you make. THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE!

Noel is a true Center, HE PLAYS DEFENCE AND IS A GOOD REBOUNDER. Vessley can't do that and also Vessley is no where near atheletic as Noel. Yes they are both Raw but Noel is a Half of a year out of playing high school ball, while Vessley has pro experience. He is a liability on the court he does almost nothing well other than run and jump and he's highly overrated at that. Noel at the very least is going too be a great defensive player and rebounder.

Also I am tired of the Vessley has a great IQ argument why cause he's white? What the hell about his IQ translate into a a decent ball player. I don't see any "smart plays" too be a guy that depends on a player too get him the ball in on the break. He doesn't play the passing lanes well at all, he's a terrible defender, he's never in the right place at the right time. He does hussle at times but he's a very limited player, I hate too rag on the guy like this but it is what it is.

[stevemcqueen1]

Dude you keep putting Noel and Vessley in the same sentence and it destroys any point you make. THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE!

Noel is a true Center, HE PLAYS DEFENCE AND IS A GOOD REBOUNDER. Vessley can't do that and also Vessley is no where near atheletic as Noel. Yes they are both Raw but Noel is a Half of a year out of playing high school ball, while Vessley has pro experience. He is a liability on the court he does almost nothing well other than run and jump and he's highly overrated at that. Noel at the very least is going too be a great defensive player and rebounder.

Also I am tired of the Vessley has a great IQ argument why cause he's white? What the hell about his IQ translate into a a decent ball player. I don't see any "smart plays" too be a guy that depends on a player too get him the ball in on the break. He doesn't play the passing lanes well at all, he's a terrible defender, he's never in the right place at the right time. He does hussle at times but he's a very limited player, I hate too rag on the guy like this but it is what it is.

Your race-baiting here is stupid. Just say you don't know what the **** you're talking about and save me the trouble of having to read your dreck.

[SiCkSoULjA]

Your race-baiting here is stupid. Just say you don't know what the **** you're talking about and save me the trouble of having to read your dreck.

Race baiting wasn't you the same one that said along the lines that people look at Vessley as a goofey white dude and not judge him as not athletic or don't give him a chance? What the hell do you call that.

If I am wrong what's this good basketball IQ, too me because I don't see it at all. Played 5 minutes and has 5 fouls wow IQ my ass

[Fight4RGIII]

Was Wall hitting/taking any jumpers last night?

[SiCkSoULjA]

He took a few, made couple and missed horribly at times, His jumper looks smoother but it seems so slow, Teague blocked one and contested others but its amazing that now we have a guy that can get too the basket and we don't have too settle for chucking 20 threes.

[endzone_dave]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Crawford has been out the last two gams and the Wizards won both. Teams don't with in this league with shot chuckers.

Also, Vesely stinks. I'm not sure why that is even up for debate. He can go back to Europe.

[stevemcqueen1]

Race baiting wasn't you the same one that said along the lines that people look at Vessley as a goofey white dude and not judge him as not athletic or don't give him a chance? What the hell do you call that.

If I am wrong what's this good basketball IQ, too me because I don't see it at all. Played 5 minutes and has 5 fouls wow IQ my ass

You're essentially saying I only think he's smart because he's white--implying that I think black players are dumber than white players.

You're also the one who dumped on Beal early and kept defending Blatche and McGee long after everyone else acknowledged they were turds. I don't think you know what good bball IQ looks like.

Ves has a good bball IQ. He sees the floor well and plays good team defense when he gets consistent run. You can either see it or you can't.

---------- Post added January-13th-2013 at 12:07 PM ----------

I don't think it's a coincidence that Crawford has been out the last two gams and the Wizards won both. Teams don't with in this league with shot chuckers.

Also, Vesely stinks. I'm not sure why that is even up for debate. He can go back to Europe.

Crawford has been one of the only decent players on the team this season. He has a definite role in the NBA and good teams do value players like him. They can absolutely win with players like him. The Clippers have the second best record in the NBA.

Ves is struggling and has regressed since last year. We've failed to develop him so far. Maybe we never will. But it's been barely 82 games into his career so far, he's got talent, and is still potentially valuable. He should also play better now that Wall is back.

[the burgundy and gold]

Wow last night's game was so refreshing, legit been waiting the whole season to see us play like that. The more I see of Beal/the better he plays, the more I realize the comparisons to Ray Allens were just wrong. He can attack the basket a lot better than I thought he would and his jumper is not as good as I was expecting. Very pleased with the way he's been playing the last few games. Just great to see John back on the court, not sure what to think about his jumper last night. He seemed confident in it and made the one but the other 2 he shot were sketchy.

And ^^^, yes Jan is just pathetic out there. It's obvious the only thing he can do is catch alley oops, but wait he didn't convert either of them last night. Now that Booker is back I'm hoping we don't see Vesely anymore. Still not sure why he's getting PT over Chris Singleton.

As far as Crawford, I'm still interested in seeing him play the role he was meant to when this team was put together, a very streaky/dangerous scorer off the bench who doesn't get a lot of minutes. I think he is well fit for this role, similar to Jamal Crawford. He definitely should not be a starter on this team anymore considering how well Beal is playing.