The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Listening on the radio (working late, for 12 hours, ftw). For those watching, how would you grade the Wizards performance tonight? Dave Johnson just asked Glen Consor that and he said C+ offensively, B defensively. Just wondering your alls opinion

[stevemcqueen1]

Pure jumpers for CP3 and Durant. Lebron can score is so many different ways.

Lebron's go to move is the travel.

John has some moves to get to the rim. That behind the back dribble to the eurostep for the left hand finish was pretty damn nice. He's good with that behind the back cross. And his crossover is deadly. He has that little clutch left hand finish where he takes off from near the FT line and he has that signature dunk where he goes up off one foot for the left hand finish.

Those aren't really go to moves in the sense of Dwight's face up spin, Kobe's turnaround fade, Carmelo's spin move or his dribble pull up, etc. But they are things he does extremely well to create offense for himself.

---------- Post added February-4th-2013 at 09:31 PM ----------

Listening on the radio (working late, for 12 hours, ftw). For those watching, how would you grade the Wizards performance tonight? Dave Johnson just asked Glen Consor that and he said C+ offensively, B defensively. Just wondering your alls opinion

Better than a C+ offensively based on how they played down the stretch in the 4th. I'd give them at least a B+ overall. LA is a good team even without CP3 and Blake Griffin.

Thank God we won. Next two games are tough and this is the one I really wanted to get. I wish Blake Griffin had played though. I wanted us to beat his ass.

Temple, Martell, and Ariza all played very well. John and Nene played pretty well. Okafor had another excellent game. I guess Price played alright but I barely noticed him. Singleton got in the game and made a couple plays, that was good to see. Don't remember seeing much from Seraphin or Crawford. Bottom line was that the effort level was good and the defense made a ton of plays down the stretch to pull away and seal the game.

[Renegade7]

Bledsoe has pretty much the same stats as Wall tonight, and also his team lost the game. He's not elite right now, but that's fine because he's 22 and has the tenacity to get better. Upset that Beal didn't play again, but how in the world do we let one guy grab 22 rebounds? Win or not, that another scoring threat need to be addressed on this team.

Solid win, wish I got to see it...

[stevemcqueen1]

I think Beal needs to take a little while to heal up that wrist. He was really ineffective before he started to rest it. This year is lost anyway. We're playing for a draft pick. And I believe there is a definite top four in this year's class.

[nuposse87]

I mean, I guess I should be happy we got the win. Just a bit concerning how we never put them away. Overall not a terrible game from an execution standpoint, but Beal is sorely missed. I'd rather see Vesely getting Seraphin's minutes until he learns some self awareness. The best thing to come out of this was no Jordan Crawford in the 2nd half.

[stevemcqueen1]

Watching the Jazz and Kings play in Utah. So many good young big men in this game. Derrick Favors has been brought along so slowly but it looks like the Jazz have done a great job developing him. Once he gets a full time role, he's going to be a really good big man. Versatile offensive skills with great defensive potential. Kanter even looks pretty solid in spot duty. Very skilled and more athletic than you'd think. Millsap is good. Big Al is good. On Sacramento you've got a lot less mature talent and the guards are super raw and have some trouble working the ball inside. But Cousins and TRob is a potentially dominant front court and Jason Thompson is pretty skilled.

Utah has a tough decision to make with bringing Jefferson and Millsap back. You've got to let one of them go IMO. Kanter and Favors are the future. They've got a ton of size and power up front, four different PF/Cs that could each be 20+ PER starters.

I would love to acquire one of the young bigs from this game.

[StillUnknown]

I mean, I guess I should be happy we got the win. Just a bit concerning how we never put them away. Overall not a terrible game from an execution standpoint, but Beal is sorely missed. I'd rather see Vesely getting Seraphin's minutes until he learns some self awareness. The best thing to come out of this was no Jordan Crawford in the 2nd half.

I wonder how Grunfeld feels seeing the guy he zeroed in on months before the draft continually collecting DNP's. They can't use the "he'll be fine once Wall comes back" line anymore.

[stevemcqueen1]

Seraphin's bball IQ is just so disappointing. Missing that steal as the ball rolled down the court beside him was pretty bad and it led to Clippers points that kept the game close.

I think we need to pick two of Crawford, Seraphin, Singleton, Vesely, and Booker and then move the other three. We're wasting them trying to develop all five at once.

[nuposse87]

If you could combine Vesely BB IQ and seraphin's body, you'd have a helluva young player. I'm glad singleton is out of the dog house, we have a lot of young players that get inconsistent minutes...I'd probably try to package Booker+JC for the best player we can get. Vesely, for all his faults at least doesn't pro-actively **** **** up out there, he's just a liability at times. I also think regular minutes for him would still allow us to groom some value out of him.

[stevemcqueen1]

Vesely would be easier to develop if we had a big time scoring SF. Ves can't shoot and basically his only offensive value comes from running the floor in transition, setting picks, passing from the top of the key, and running cuts. Maybe some put backs on occasion. When he's on the floor, it's probably the case that we get no offense from our forwards. Martell and Ariza are marginal offensive players IMO. Not bad but not good enough to pick up the slack.

For Ves to get the kind of minutes he needs to develop, he'd have to bring some sort of special value outside of offense to the table. Defensively I suppose. But he's never going to get to be a good defender without playing a good amount of minutes. I don't see it being something you can learn without playing--and playing with a consistent group of guys around you.

I don't think we're going to be able to develop him. He's a project and we've already got 4 or 5 other projects. You would have to make a really concerted effort to develop him, give him a clear role, give him a set amount of minutes every night, give him a solid lineup he can join where he can build defensive chemistry with them. We're not going to do any of that.

I've seen Derrick Favors a couple of times this year and I've got to say, I'm impressed with the patient way the Jazz developed him. The resulting product looks really good. I think it would take an organization like that to actually develop Vesely. And Ves doesn't have the upside Favors does, so the incentive to take such care with him isn't there like it was for Favors.

[Hersh]

Vesely would be easier to develop if we had a big time scoring SF. Ves can't shoot and basically his only offensive value comes from running the floor in transition, setting picks, passing from the top of the key, and running cuts. Maybe some put backs on occasion. When he's on the floor, it's probably the case that we get no offense from our forwards. Martell and Ariza are marginal offensive players IMO. Not bad but not good enough to pick up the slack.

For Ves to get the kind of minutes he needs to develop, he'd have to bring some sort of special value outside of offense to the table. Defensively I suppose. But he's never going to get to be a good defender without playing a good amount of minutes. I don't see it being something you can learn without playing--and playing with a consistent group of guys around you.

I don't think we're going to be able to develop him. He's a project and we've already got 4 or 5 other projects. You would have to make a really concerted effort to develop him, give him a clear role, give him a set amount of minutes every night, give him a solid lineup he can join where he can build defensive chemistry with them. We're not going to do any of that.

I've seen Derrick Favors a couple of times this year and I've got to say, I'm impressed with the patient way the Jazz developed him. The resulting product looks really good. I think it would take an organization like that to actually develop Vesely. And Ves doesn't have the upside Favors does, so the incentive to take such care with him isn't there like it was for Favors.

I don't see why the Wiz don't send him to the D-League to get playing time. Even though I view him as a bust, they might as well get him game time somewhere to maybe create some kind of trade value.

[StillUnknown]

I don't see why the Wiz don't send him to the D-League to get playing time. Even though I view him as a bust, they might as well get him game time somewhere to maybe create some kind of trade value.

Seraphin had a clause in his contract that prevented him from going to the D-League, maybe Vesley has similar language in his deal.

Not sure why a team would give a rookie that kind of deal, especially if they know the player is raw.

[Warhead36]

The Clippers without Paul and Griffin are basically the Wizards.

[Destino]

Bledsoe has pretty much the same stats as Wall tonight, and also his team lost the game. He's not elite right now, but that's fine because he's 22 and has the tenacity to get better. Upset that Beal didn't play again, but how in the world do we let one guy grab 22 rebounds? Win or not, that another scoring threat need to be addressed on this team.

Solid win, wish I got to see it...

There is a big difference between scoring 17 points on 7-14 shooting (Bledsoe) and 13 points on 6-18 (Wall). Wall had 2 less turnovers though so he didnt get completely outplayed. Wall's is usually more efficient than he's been the last two games but he's still a long way from being a quality scoring threat.

He is an assist machine though. If the Wizards got two stars and Wall was the top 2nd level guy (like Ibaka on the thunder, or Rondo on the celtics) he'd be a damn good asset to have.

[stevemcqueen1]

The Clippers without Paul and Griffin are basically the Wizards.

They're better than us even without Paul and Griffin and could beat us in a series. Their roster runs 9 or 10 deep with good players. They've got four or five other guys that would be our second or third best player. Caron, Crawford, Bledsoe, Jordan, Billups, and Hill would be some of our best players after Wall pretty much. They're probably the deepest team in the league.