The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Gator Bait]

Reality is that no one knows.

No one can know for sure...but I'd be more inclined to believe what guys who get paid for their analysis say over some random guy on a football message board

[Skins199021]

No one can know for sure...but I'd be more inclined to believe what guys who get paid for their analysis say over some random guy on a football message board

No one thought Paul George would be that good. I mean there won't be any Lebrons/Wades/Howards or anything like that.

But there will most likely be a guys like Nene, Butler, Jamison, in their primes type guys. There will be all stars in this draft I just don't think Zeller or Noel will be them.

[Gator Bait]

No one thought Paul George would be that good. I mean there won't be any Lebrons/Wades/Howards or anything like that.

But there will most likely be a guys like Nene, Butler, Jamison, in their primes type guys. There will be all stars in this draft I just don't think Zeller or Noel will be them.

actually a lot of people were really high on Paul George for his potential. There likely will be an all-star or two in the draft...but it might not be one of the lottery picks....

[RonArtest15]

Check out this TAI link about the Wizards being the NBA's best 3pt shooting team with John Wall.

Link

IMO, this guy is unfairly criticized by many and undervalued. People can nit-pick on his flaws all they want, but for THIS YEAR, the proof is in the pudding as far as his team impact both on offense and defense.

[Skins199021]

Everything would be so much easier if EG took the guy most of us wanted in Leonard back in 2011. God I was mad when we picked Vesely. I wanted Leonard so bad

[RonArtest15]

Everything would be so much easier if EG took the guy most of us wanted in Leonard back in 2011. God I was mad when we picked Vesely. I wanted Leonard so bad

On that note...no matter where we draft this year, the pressure is on EG (or whoever is GM at the time) to draft a player who can come in right away and contribute. Can't have any more 1st round busts or guys who can't crack the rotation. There has to be a sense of urgency to get better.

[nuposse87]

Which is why if we have a shot at Porter we'll probably immediately take him. He can do exactly what we need from the SF position while adding some playmaking.

I kind of wish we did swap picks with another team before the trade deadline. I see this team finishing with 30-32 wins. Probably enough to knock us out of getting porter, especially considering his value is actually increasing.

[stevemcqueen1]

Zeller and Noel are such question marks at the NBA level. It wouldn't surprise me if neither ended up starters in the league (especially zeller). Plus Noel is so raw and has suffered a major injury.

If things continue as they are and we end up with a 10-15 pick.

I hope the Wiz pick one of Porter/Austin/ and I also like Glen Robinson III

We need guys that can score, and the above 3 can (though Austin I am conflicted on what position he plays I think a stretch 4). We need points so badly, we are having trouble scoring simple as that. Zeller seems liek a bench guy to me.

I don't know If we pick a European I'll kill EG that is all I know

Zeller is one of the best scorers in the class.

I don't really care for GRIII. He's a SG playing out of position at SF because Michigan is strong at guard. He needs to go back to school IMO.

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On that note...no matter where we draft this year, the pressure is on EG (or whoever is GM at the time) to draft a player who can come in right away and contribute. Can't have any more 1st round busts or guys who can't crack the rotation. There has to be a sense of urgency to get better.

I think there is probably less pressure on this draft pick to contribute right off than any previous pick. The team already has a good starting 5 in place for next year and is going to be better than at any point since Wall is drafted.

I would go for upside with this pick. He can stow away and develop over a long term and come in and be ready to play when Oak/Nene are old/gone and Wall and Beal enter their primes.

[RonArtest15]

This is a good read...and a hopeful glimpse of things to come:

Wizards' rookie Bradley Beal just needed a point guard

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Zeller is one of the best scorers in the class.

I don't really care for GRIII. He's a SG playing out of position at SF because Michigan is strong at guard. He needs to go back to school IMO.

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I think there is probably less pressure on this draft pick to contribute right off than any previous pick. The team already has a good starting 5 in place for next year and is going to be better than at any point since Wall is drafted.

I would go for upside with this pick. He can stow away and develop over a long term and come in and be ready to play when Oak/Nene are old/gone and Wall and Beal enter their primes.

Do you trust this team to develop players? I mean, Vesely is a bust, Seraphin has regressed, etc. I'd rather draft someone who can come in an contribute, rather than stash away for development purposes. Guys like Porter, Zeller, Bennett, and Oladipo can come in next year and get quality minutes off the bench and contribute. I don't want to see this team draft a player for rainy day potential. Let's maximize our draft pick(s) and make this team even deeper.

[stevemcqueen1]

Do you trust this team to develop players? I mean, Vesely is a bust, Seraphin has regressed, etc. I'd rather draft someone who can come in an contribute, rather than stash away for development purposes. Guys like Porter, Zeller, Bennett, and Oladipo can come in next year and get quality minutes off the bench and contribute. I don't want to see this team draft a player for rainy day potential. Let's maximize our draft pick(s) and make this team even deeper.

To me, drafting for upside IS maximizing your draft picks.

The team is stabilized now. Vesely and Seraphin are still developing and now we've got the opportunity to develop them at a slower pace because we've got worthy starters in front of them finally. I like Porter and Zeller and Bennett for us in part because I think they've got high upside. Particularly Zeller. Oladipo I don't care for as a pick by us. I don't see how he ever starts over Beal.

[RonArtest15]

To me, drafting for upside IS maximizing your draft picks.

The team is stabilized now. Vesely and Seraphin are still developing and now we've got the opportunity to develop them at a slower pace because we've got worthy starters in front of them finally. I like Porter and Zeller and Bennett for us in part because I think they've got high upside. Particularly Zeller. Oladipo I don't care for as a pick by us. I don't see how he ever starts over Beal.

That's one way of looking at Ves/Seraphin...Seraphin, maybe, could be looked at as someone to bring along slowly because he has shown flashes of potential. Vesely, on the other hand...meh. I wouldn't be shocked if we dangled him this summer with the hopes of getting something back.

You're 100% right, there's no way that Oladipo starts over Beal...but I think his value is through his defense. He could end up being Tony Allen lite.

[stevemcqueen1]

That's one way of looking at Ves/Seraphin...Seraphin, maybe, could be looked at as someone to bring along slowly because he has shown flashes of potential. Vesely, on the other hand...meh. I wouldn't be shocked if we dangled him this summer with the hopes of getting something back.

You're 100% right, there's no way that Oladipo starts over Beal...but I think his value is through his defense. He could end up being Tony Allen lite.

I think we've got the luxury of time with Vesely. He's so low skill that he's probably not going to contribute much at all before his fourth year or so. But having Nene at the 4 means we won't be needing Vesely any time soon. I wouldn't trade him for nothing. I'd want something worthwhile back or we might as well just keep him ourselves and work on him long term.

Seraphin has a frustratingly poor feel for the game. Part of me wonders how much that is ever going to change. But you're right, he has shown flashes. And he's actually got arguably the most efficient hook shot in the entire league. Go figure. Too bad those aren't the only shots he takes. And too bad he's such a sketchy defender, passer, and rebounder. Nevertheless, he's got a go to move.

So does Singleton, I like that little step back mid range jumper he's shown this year. He needs to get better from 3 and better on defense. Needs to show better decision making all around. But he could really be important if he developed all those traits. 6'9 with an ability to keep people in front of him. He could be a Carmelo/LeBron guarder. You probably need that to have a chance in the East now.

Booker doesn't seem to have a lot of offensive value.

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Re: Oladipo, I'd take him if he were the BPA but then I'd probably try and trade him. Definitely some Tony Allen in him. Maybe some Thabo Sefalosha.

[method man]

Wall will get what he earns. Steph Curry money is fair for him. Wall won't get a max contract from anyone without an All Star appearance. Will Brandon Jennings get max money this offseason?

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Whose saying that? Most people think it's an average class that lacks a clear cut #1 but it's got a lot of good players in it.

Rudy Gay and Eric Gordon did not make any all-star appearances; yet both have received max deals

[stevemcqueen1]

Rudy Gay and Eric Gordon did not make any all-star appearances; yet both have received max deals

Actually I'm not sure Gordon has a max deal. But I understand your point. Still Gordon could easily be an AS if he ever stayed healthy. His numbers put him in that kind of category.

Rudy Gay doesn't deserve the money he gets but he's proving he's a building block that elevates his team. He's more deserving of an All Star appearance than Luol Deng at any rate. Not a max type player, but not too terrible far off. I think both of them made team USA too. I know Gay did.

John is better early in his career than either of them were anyway. So is Steph Curry. Significantly so, and he didn't get a max deal. I think John is probably going to get a similar deal to Curry. Maybe make a little more money since he hasn't gotten hurt as much.

[Gator Bait]

Rudy Gay and Eric Gordon did not make any all-star appearances; yet both have received max deals

the all-star game is a popularity contest controlled by the fans. I get your point though. The reason these guys got max deals is because they are/were the best players on their teams and the fans would crucify the franchises for letting them go.

People need to remember sports leagues aren't all about winning championships...they are about making money as well. You can't make money if you don't sell tickets, and you can't sell tickets if the fans are pissed because their best player left (because he wasn't offered enough money to stay)