The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[Buford]

I'm interested what the new Uni's will look like in a few weeks. May 10th is when I think they release them.

Wish we had folks around here with a photoshop template like the NFL one a few months ago. I think fans could come up with some cool Red/White/Blue designs.

[Samuels]

Football and basketball are apples and oranges. You got 12-15 holes vs 53. Thus Wall by himself is greater than Landry, Williams and Orakpo. One player can have a bigger impact. And we don't have holes everywhere. The guard position is largely set.

Drafting and keeping Irving to eventually trade him is a fine idea, but how are you gonna showcase him? Where is he gonna get mintues? Are you gonna take away minutes from and potentially stunt the development of Wall or Crawford for a player that you ultimately don't even want? And if teams know you have to trade him, who has the barfaining power?

You go BPA when Adrian Peterson is on the board and Chester Taylor is your starter. You go BPA when it's Calvin Johnsom even though you've failed multiple times at drafting WR's high. You go BPA when it's John Wall and you have a shell of Gilbert Arenas. You don't spend a high draft pick on Kyrie Irving so you can hopefully trade him one day when you have John Wall on the roster.

And really, probably the biggest difference between us, is how we see Bismack. I think he's legit. And he's at a position of need.

BTW, I'm curious as to what Skins players fall under that "etc"?

I know the difference between football and basketball I played both. Your missing my point though both teams have huge holes and are along way from competing for anything. Bismack I watched in one game and some youtube video's its really not enough out there for me to fairly judge him. Kanter to me is a plodder and this team needs to be uptempo with the way its currently constructed.

I love the Wizards back court with NY and JC but honestly is that a championship back court? Thats a huge question mark anybody can put up numbers with bigtime minutes AND SHOTS but NY struggled up until this year getting any meaniful minutes and JC could'nt sniff the court for a playoff team in ATL.

My point is this I think Irving, Knight and Kembo will make a bigger impact then NY or JC ever will. Those 3 guys have all star potential and I honestly like Knight more then Irving. I'm not worried about minutes because the best players will play. If this team has 2 all star PG's that is serious trade bait to go after a bigtime star at a postion of need when were ready to take that next step.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I love the Wizards back court with NY and JC but honestly is that a championship back court? Thats a huge question mark anybody can put up numbers with bigtime minutes AND SHOTS but NY struggled up until this year getting any meaniful minutes and JC could'nt sniff the court for a playoff team in ATL.

Not to be nitpicky but JC not being able to sniff the court in ATL is understandable.

He played behind an all-star caliber guard in Joe Johnson and a former 6th man of the year award winner in Jamal Crawford.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I know the difference between football and basketball I played both. Your missing my point though both teams have huge holes and are along way from competing for anything. Bismack I watched in one game and some youtube video's its really not enough out there for me to fairly judge him. Kanter to me is a plodder and this team needs to be uptempo with the way its currently constructed.

I love the Wizards back court with NY and JC but honestly is that a championship back court? Thats a huge question mark anybody can put up numbers with bigtime minutes AND SHOTS but NY struggled up until this year getting any meaniful minutes and JC could'nt sniff the court for a playoff team in ATL.

My point is this I think Irving, Knight and Kembo will make a bigger impact then NY or JC ever will. Those 3 guys have all star potential and I honestly like Knight more then Irving. I'm not worried about minutes because the best players will play. If this team has 2 all star PG's that is serious trade bait to go after a bigtime star at a postion of need when were ready to take that next step.

Please don't bust out the athlete card. Playing a sport doesn't mean one knows how to build a team. Isiah Thomas. Matt Millen. Michael Jordan. And I have both played and coached basketball. So now what?

I'm not missing your point. I'm saying your point is wrong. And again, it's apples and oranges. What it takes to build a roster and the time involved are entirely different.

For the sake of argument let's says it's the same though. The Redskins aren't in the same place as the Wiz. They wish they were. The Wiz have a roster full of young promising players. They're well into a rebuild. The Skins roster is filled with fading vets, has beens, never was' and they don't have anyone remotely close to the type of impact franche player that John Wall is. John Wall is Sam Bradford. The Skins got Trent Williams.

And we don't know what exactly we have in Crawford and Young. One is a rookie who spent the first half of the year buried behind all stars and the other is finally getting consistent minutes for the first time in his career.

Besides, we wouldn't have two All Star PG's. We'd have one and a backup we spent a top 5 pick on. If you think having two pass-first PG's is a good idea that can work, I can't help you there. That's not going to work. It never has worked. Wall is better than both. They aren't going to get minutes here. It's a waste of a draft pick. So how are you going to get good value for a player you don't need who doesn't get any playing time? The time to a trade is on draft day, not years later.

Now I guess you can make a case for Kemba (with an A) Walker as he's more of a scorer, but in a normal draft he's barely scratching the lottery. He's a 6-foot scorer. And his name isn't Allen Iverson. I'd rather draft a promising big at a position we actually need and let NY and Crawford do their thing.

---------- Post added April-22nd-2011 at 11:26 PM ----------

Here, let's look at some history:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/22/sp...or-cheeks.html

Strick was the 19th overall pick and Cheeks played one season in New York. The Knicks ****ed up. Period. It wasn't going to work, it didn't work and they got nothing to show for it. How much more of a waste it would've been if Strick was a top 5 pick?

[Samuels]

Brandon Knight can play the 2 as well he is a big PG with long arms like Wall but he is stronger also a much better man defender. He is gonna be a star nobody on the Wizards roster will keep him off the court. He will be a better pro then NY and JC who I both like and fully support. I love the trio but I just don't believe in drafting a position of need over the BPA thats how you miss on the Jordans etc. It stinks so many guys returned to school because this draft is very weak at the top. I think this team has young potential but other then Wall the other guys are just that.

[Destino]

To the Wizards / Redskins thing. The Wizards are one of the youngest teams in the league. They have plenty of draft picks, a long term plan, and an owner that will have the patience to implement it. The Redskins have made moves to get younger but that is still a work in progress and they lack draft picks. The biggest problem however is they have an owner with no long term plan.

[Samuels]

To the Wizards / Redskins thing. The Wizards are one of the youngest teams in the league. They have plenty of draft picks, a long term plan, and an owner that will have the patience to implement it. The Redskins have made moves to get younger but that is still a work in progress and they lack draft picks. The biggest problem however is they have an owner with no plan long term plan.

I agree, my only comparison really was that both are far from competing for anything meaniful, championships. If they were 1 piece away I could see maybe reaching for a postion of need but at this point both teams should be drafting BPA. I'm just a big Best player available guy over positions of need unless they are ranked fairly close on your board.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

To the Wizards / Redskins thing. The Wizards are one of the youngest teams in the league. They have plenty of draft picks, a long term plan, and an owner that will have the patience to implement it. The Redskins have made moves to get younger but that is still a work in progress and they lack draft picks. The biggest problem however is they have an owner with no long term plan.

Personally, I think the Skins' have the opportunity to get better much quicker than the Wizards.

Once there's a new CBA, we'll have tons of money to spend on what is widely considered to be the greatest FA class in NFL history.

And as for not having enough draft picks....that's not actually true. I believe we have 8 picks in this draft.

We just don't have a 3rd or 4th.....and I suspect they'll recoup one or two of those picks in a trade down.


So yeah, I think the Skins are closer to contention than the Wiz....especially with all the parity in the NFL today.

[No Excuses]

The Redskins aren't competing for anything without a legitimate QB. Then you have to take into consideration that the rookie QB will most likely struggle and may not pan out.

They aren't making it out of the NFC East when the other three teams have quality QB's and we might be starting Rex Grossman on opening day.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

The Redskins aren't competing for anything without a legitimate QB. Then you have to take into consideration that the rookie QB will most likely struggle and may not pan out.


They aren't making it out of the NFC East when the other three teams have quality QB's and we might be starting Rex Grossman on opening day.

I'm not saying the Skins will be immediately better but I still think they'll contend before the Wiz.

[stevemcqueen1]

Personally, I think the Skins' have the opportunity to get better much quicker than the Wizards....
So yeah, I think the Skins are closer to contention than the Wiz....especially with all the parity in the NFL today.

I think that's only because of the nature of each sport. Football players are older and develop and hit their primes much more quickly than basketball players. You'll be in year 6 before you see a big hit his stride and that's the tail end of a good NFL player's career.

Not only that, the good teams in the NBA have almost always been entrenched and it's extremely hard to break into the upper echelon. There is probably less parody in the NBA than any other major sport.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Wizards are currently in much better long term position than the Redskins. The Redskins won't be as promising until they draft a good young QB.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Thank you Mcqueen. As I said, it's apples and oranges. What it takes to build a roster and how long it takes to turn it around is completely different. But with all that said, right now, the Wiz have done and are doing more to make it happen. They are on the right track. You have a general sense of where the Wiz are headed. You don't with the Skins.

[StillUnknown]

[MLSKINS]

I know this might be kind of out there, but if Kanter is there when we pick and we don't draft him, I will be highly upset. I think he would be a nice piece to add on this team. On top of that, I don't know anybody else who is worthy of being a top 10 pick that the Wizards need.

[DCchillin89]

Kanter and Seraphim would be a sick combo 4/5 combo.

The fact that Calipari had him ready to go to Kentucky is a big factor and may be a clue to how coaches think his euro game will translate to the NBA.