The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[StillUnknown]

The refs are firmly implanted in Miami's ass tonight

Well it depends on whether or not McGee has a free shot. If he is bodied on the shot, id say he misses it 50% of the time.

---------- Post added February-10th-2012 at 08:25 PM ----------

Eh.. see im perfectly ok with the way McGee is playing tonight. I dont care bout him playing defense. I want to see him dunking, getting offensive putbacks/rebounds, and not throwing up wild shots.

McGee is playing well tonight. I disagree with you on his defense though. Defense is going to determine whether or not we decide to pay him. He's never going to be a offensive force on the game with anything other than put backs & dunks. If his defense isn't good or improving, it makes little sense to keep him long term.

[Skin'emAlive]

The refs are firmly implanted in Miami's ass tonight

Yep this game is over. Cant defend without giving trips to the line, and cant shoot. Its over.

---------- Post added February-10th-2012 at 08:41 PM ----------

Hold the phone! Wall is making it interesting. haha.

---------- Post added February-10th-2012 at 08:58 PM ----------

They gotta get Wall back in there...

[RonArtest15]

Good effort from the Wizards, but I thought I'd bump this quote:

P.S Jeremy Lin is so overrated right now it isn't even funny.

LOL

[SiCkSoULjA]

Wall had 7 turnovers and shooting percentage wasnt that great but that doesn't tell the story of the game, I thought well did well he consistantly broke down the defence and got too the basketball for a lay up even though he missed the shot he pulled the center out too defend him which left McGee for Multiple easy put backs.

I got to admit Booker has been playing well as of late. We are hurting bad at the SF position Vessely and Singleton gave us nothing. Also Nick Young needs too stop shooting so much he went 1 on 3 one time and other times the defense was in his grill and he still forces shots. Hes a big part of our offence we don't have many options he just needs too make much better decesions.

I hate the coach his rotations suck and he keeps his starters out too long, I can see McGee always needing a breether but you have too keep your most productive players in until the game gets undercontrol, it seems like everytime we went on a run and got close here comes a crazy rotation.

[Destino]

It hasn't though. Its inconsistent, he'll have a 1 good game with the hook shots for every 5 bad ones.

He added it but kept his shooting percentage over .500. Personally I think we have bigger problems at SF and SG. Ineffective and incredibly inefficient.

[StillUnknown]

He added it but kept his shooting percentage over .500. Personally I think we have bigger problems at SF and SG. Ineffective and incredibly inefficient.

His shooting percentage is over 50% because he's shooting close to 70% at the rim. The hook which generally happens in the 3-9 range, he's shooting 35%. I agree that we have bigger issues than McGee. I'm still in favor of keeping him unless some team offers him a ridiculous deal (if he gets a deal for 10mil per from some team, I let him walk)

[stevemcqueen1]

Right, delusional much!

Seriously though, had Amare and Carmello been playing the score would've been much worse.

Actually we probably would have won that game if they'd been playing. Carmelo has been one of the most spectacular ball stoppers in the league this year and Amare looks completely disinterested. I think the team hates playing with Carmelo.

Jeremy Lin never gets a chance to shine if Carmelo doesn't get hurt.

---------- Post added February-11th-2012 at 12:30 PM ----------

Give us Anthony Davis and Bradley Beal and we'll have a serious Eastern conference contender in two or three years without any other major additions.

I would trade Nick Young to a late lottery team for their pick in a heartbeat and use that pick to move into range for Beal.

It'd probably keep us in Anthony Davis's range in the short term and clear out a minor offensive black hole that doesn't rebound or pass and plays mediocre defense for a smart shooting rebounder who makes sense for us. Booker and Davis is a quality forward combo that could cover for some of McGee's shortcomings while accenting his strengths. Singleton and Vesely still bring nothing to the table offensively--yet--but they'll play excellent defense and rebound and Singleton seems like he can develop into a 3 ball kick out option for Wall and Vesely can run the floor and finish... AK47esque potential.

Crawford probably needs to go too, I'm more comfortable with Mack running backup point long term than Crawford. I hate the shots he takes.

Oh and Blatche and Rashard absolutely have to go. I would trade Blatche for just about any expiring deal in the league and throw in something minor to sweeten the pot. Seraphin? Maybe.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Actually we probably would have won that game if they'd been playing. Carmelo has been one of the most spectacular ball stoppers in the league this year and Amare looks completely disinterested. I think the team hates playing with Carmelo.[

I agree, one of Melo and Anthony has to go ASAP.

Jeremy Lin never gets a chance to shine if Carmelo doesn't get hurt.

---------- Post added February-11th-2012 at 12:30 PM ----------

Give us Anthony Davis and Bradley Beal and we'll have a serious Eastern conference contender in two or three years without any other major additions.

We need a C and maybe a SF. McGee is not the answer.

I would trade Nick Young to a late lottery team for their pick in a heartbeat and use that pick to move into range for Beal.

Nick Young is never going to get that kind of value back. Every player on this team has depressed value because of our bad team performance and the perception that they're making a young star (Wall) look bad. You'd be lucky if you got a late 1st for NY.

I think McGee has to go too (what does he do well exactly? He's a good rebounder, but he's 7'1 with Blake Griffin esque athleticism and Dwight Howard-esque length - he SHOULD be a good rebounder, a bad defender and an inefficient scorer, and this is after 3.5 years in the NBA!), and I actually see Ves as our PF of the future, and Davis or Drummond as our C of the future. I think Ves will develop a decent shot, he's already a great finisher, defender and passer, as well as a good offensive rebounder. He also has a Haywood-esque impact on the defensive glass in that he boxes out and creates boards for the team, even if his individual numbers aren't dominant.

If we don't land a top 2 pick, then I'd draft Kidd-Gilchrist and sign Harden in 2013 (no way New Orleans lets Gordon go even if he gets a max deal).

[stevemcqueen1]

Austin Rivers has some really impressive skills. He might be even better off the dribble than Kyrie Irving was last year. I like the way he finishes with either hand and he can really break defenders down and score. I love his runner. It reminds me of Chris Paul.

I like Beal ahead of him because I think Beal is stronger and more versatile--can rebound and really thrive off the ball. But Rivers is someone we've really got to take a look at too IMO.

That said, as good as his other shooting numbers are, why are his FT #s so low?

[StillUnknown]

Another 26pts (9-15 fg's, 7-7 ft's) & 14rebs for Thomas Robinson.

[Destino]

Nick Young is never going to get that kind of value back. Every player on this team has depressed value because of our bad team performance and the perception that they're making a young star (Wall) look bad. You'd be lucky if you got a late 1st for NY.

I think McGee has to go too (what does he do well exactly? He's a good rebounder, but he's 7'1 with Blake Griffin esque athleticism and Dwight Howard-esque length - he SHOULD be a good rebounder, a bad defender and an inefficient scorer, and this is after 3.5 years in the NBA!), and I actually see Ves as our PF of the future, and Davis or Drummond as our C of the future. I think Ves will develop a decent shot, he's already a great finisher, defender and passer, as well as a good offensive rebounder. He also has a Haywood-esque impact on the defensive glass in that he boxes out and creates boards for the team, even if his individual numbers aren't dominant.

If we don't land a top 2 pick, then I'd draft Kidd-Gilchrist and sign Harden in 2013 (no way New Orleans lets Gordon go even if he gets a max deal).

Is McGee an inefficient scorer? Is he a bad defender? Think people would say that if he played on Chicago? I don't think he'd look nearly as bad on a team that actually plays TEAM defense.

Vesely's biggest problem on defense is his strength and size and I think he's actually heavier than Davis. Also, Jason Kid went from can't shoot to shooter but that doesn't mean it's likely. It's more likely Vesely will get stronger than him suddenly developing a great J.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Is McGee an inefficient scorer? Is he a bad defender? Think people would say that if he played on Chicago? I don't think he'd look nearly as bad on a team that actually plays TEAM defense.

He'd be easier to hide, but his problems on defense are fundamental. Bad defending the P&R, bad rotations, still bites on most fakes (though not all like he used to). He's an inefficient scorer when given attempts. When he's asked to score on putbacks he looks inefficient.

McGee is trash. If he was "only" as talented as Tyrus Thomas he'd be playing just to stay in the NBA. Terrible fundamentals, a flat out idiot as a basketball player, atrocious intangibles - pretty much everything that could be wrong with a player between the ears is wrong with McGee, except I guess he doesn't do drugs. He literally does not do ANYTHING well skill-wise - but he's physically in the same class as Dwight so people hold out hope he can be a legitimate starting C in the NBA. Amazing.

[stevemcqueen1]

Couple of thoughts on a huge day in NCAAMBB:

1.) Another huge day from Thomas Robinson. I think he's the natural choice for POTY. I see very little chance of him failing in the NBA.

2.) I love the way Jared Sullinger plays the game... most days. Today was not a good day for him or his team. He was clearly frustrated and got exposed a bit IMO. I don't think he's as high floor a player as I originally thought. He can bully around the paint but has some issues finishing on the great looks he creates. He lacks the touch of an elite post player at this point in his career and he boils over/doesn't keep an even keel. His post defense was petty good tonight but he's a grounded player that is going to both struggle to defend and get his shot off against long front court players.

3.) Anthony Davis looks awesome right now. There's not a lot he can't do and if he wins POTY, then there isn't a chance in hell he doesn't go #1 overall and it's a huge gap from him to the #2 choice. He is truly special, it doesn't take watching him for long before you see it. Watching him as a true Freshman gives me some of the same feeling watching Durant did. He's the defensive minded PF version of what Kevin Durant was at Texas and has the chance to make the kind of defensive impact on the NBA early that Durant did on offense.

4.) MKG has been a little quiet so far, I want to see him assert himself on the offensive end some more this half.

5.) Interesting day from Brad Beal. His shot wasn't falling but he finds a way to impact the game in so many different ways that he can still have a great day despite a poor shooting performance. I love his game. He's easily the best rebounding guard in the class and that's a part of his game that's going to translate to the NBA.

6.) I like Austin Rivers more after watching him this week than I did before. He's got a lot of advanced ball handling and shooting talent. I'm intrigued.

7.) Good all around day from Harrison Barnes--like usual, but he just doesn't excite me. He lacks the spark of leadership and greatness and I doubt he's ever an NBA All Star.

8.) Perry Jones is a complete scrub. I've completely chilled on him. I'm not impressed with anything he actually does on the court and he's got absolutely no heart. If he had a quarter of the heart and skill that Sully has he'd be the favorite for POTY. As it is, he's a poor man's Anthony Randolph. Quincy Miller is twice the prospect that Jones is. Even still, pathetic showing from Baylor all around.

9.) Terrence Jones is going to make some team really happy in the late teens to early 20s.

10.) John Henson and Tyler Zeller both feel really underrated. If they're 20s picks, then that's a clear illustration of the amazing depth of this class.

---------- Post added February-11th-2012 at 10:44 PM ----------

Also really not impressed by anyone on Uconn this year.

[Destino]

He'd be easier to hide, but his problems on defense are fundamental. Bad defending the P&R, bad rotations, still bites on most fakes (though not all like he used to). He's an inefficient scorer when given attempts. When he's asked to score on putbacks he looks inefficient.

McGee is trash. If he was "only" as talented as Tyrus Thomas he'd be playing just to stay in the NBA. Terrible fundamentals, a flat out idiot as a basketball player, atrocious intangibles - pretty much everything that could be wrong with a player between the ears is wrong with McGee, except I guess he doesn't do drugs. He literally does not do ANYTHING well skill-wise - but he's physically in the same class as Dwight so people hold out hope he can be a legitimate starting C in the NBA. Amazing.

He's not inefficient. I frankly can't believe that any wizards fan would consider claiming otherwise on a team loaded with examples of inefficiency. Is he an offensive center? No. I don't think ever claimed otherwise. He does look like a double double center on a decent team though.

As for defense I disagree with most of you. Defense in basketball is much more a team result than offense can be. Give Dwight Howard the wizards and he'd foul out and give up easy dunks all day. When McGee moves to help no one rotates to his man, result easy pass nd dunk. Just watch what the Wizards guards do when they, routinely, allow their man free and unobstructed access to the lane. Tell me if you see them running to another man to allow rotation.

I see them doing the same thing I'm doing... Watching.

I think on a team that actually plays defense McGee would look like a asset on defense. He's got much to learn but he's not the problem that stands out when I'm watching.

[stevemcqueen1]

Exactly Destino. McGee is our second best player and probably our best defender by a large margin. There are many teams starting worse at the pivot than McGee. And you're right, he typically is an efficient offensive player because he has a tiny usage rate and shoots for high percentage. He doesn't take bad shots. He doesn't take many shots period.

I think people (Imperium in this case) forget how young McGee is and how long it takes for bigs to develop. Does anyone remember how raw McGee was coming in? It takes normal bigs four to six years to develop as a rule.

By his fifth or sixth year, I think McGee will realistically match where Tyson Chandler was in his sixth year. He's not an All Star, but you can contend with a starting center like that.

If anything, McGee is farther along than Chandler was at a similar point in each of their careers.

Here's each from their 23 year old season: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ndty01&y2=2006

I think it's fair to say that, at a similar point in each of their careers--their 24 year old seasons--Chandler was a better rebounder, but McGee was a more efficient and productive scorer and better shot blocker. Tyson Chandler also had two years more NBA experience at this point, and was playing with Chris Paul on a playoff team.

McGee will be fine. He's the least of our troubles.