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[StillUnknown]

Any thoughts on Jeremy Lamb?

I only take him if we were to acquire an extra pick later in the lottery. Even then it would depend on who's still on the board.

That windmill dunk he did at the end of his last game stained him to me.


I really hope McAdoo goes back to school, he's not ready for the NBA just yet. I don't see him as being ready to contribute in anyway day 1. Drafting McAdoo puts us closer to having a very high pick in next years draft.

[Fight4RGIII]

Dream draft, not including Davis since its not happening, MKG/John Jenkins/Crowder

[MonkFan8]

Read everything written by Ted and everything said by Ernie. You can think this trade was not done to improve the team short term, but it absolutely was. You don't bring in 60 million in salary of an aging player and not expect the team to get better.

What do you expect them to say? It's Ted's job to sell his product. He said good things about Flip just weeks before he was fired. It was done to improve the team, and in my opinion we're already seeing the benefits of it over the 10 games we've played. It's just not likely to have a significant impact on our overall record until the team learns how to play with a legitimate center in the half court set (either Nene or Seraphin, to be honest).

This trade was done for two reasons:

1. Short sighted improvement.
2. Ernie had to do something about a completely pathetic team that he built so he found the two easiest targets on the team to ship away (he tried Blatche as well but nobody wants him). The only problem is that Young and McGee (unlike Blatche) can contribute in their own ways to an NBA team. It's entirely possible that we could have brought in outside help, while keeping both on the team and shifting them to roles better suited for them. We shipped out one player for basically crap, and the other for a big contract.

It was done because neither played had a future on this team and EG opted to get something for them rather than nothing. It's that simple.

Nene's value goes beyond his on court production. His charisma, intelligence and leadership should be crucial going forward. It's completely irrelevant to me if McGee or Young go on to have great NBA careers. McGee will likely continue to put up the same numbers and flashy plays in Denver, but I wouldn't put money on him learning to play the game properly.

[stevemcqueen1]

You can't put McAdoo and Duncan in the same sentence. Duncan left WF as one of the most polished bigs in the history of college hoops. Not to mention that as a Freshman, he was absolutely dominant. There is no comparison between the two. As a matter of fact, I don't even know where you came up with the "tim duncan school of bigs that know how to play." LOLOL. McAdoo has upside. I'll give you that. However, saying he's a better prospect over Barnes/Henson is a bit silly. FWIW, McAdoo is a top5 pick next year because of the drop off in talent between the 2012 class and the 2013 class. There's a reason why everyone thinks Moe Harkless would be a lock for the lottery next year, and is a fringe 1st rounder this year.

First off, I wasn't comparing McAdoo to Duncan directly. You're creating a straw man. I was saying he comes from a similar mold.

Duncan played all four years, something that will never happen again with a player of his caliber. His "most polished big in the history of college BB" will never change because of that. McAdoo is just a smooth player with a lot of Duncan in him. He's form over flash, has a similar low key personality, and a classic PF skill set.

Also, I'm not even sure a freshman Tim Duncan gets much burn on this UNC team. It's one of the most talented NCAA teams ever assembled. It could have four lottery picks and six first round picks this year if McAdoo, Marshall, and Hairston all declare.

Mark my words, if guys like McAdoo and Zeller go back to school, the top of next year's class will be better and more successful than this year's. This class has two upper echelon prospects, then a big dropoff yet wide depth of very good, but not great prospects.

Give McAdoo and Zeller a year to fill out and get burn, then they're probably better, more complete prospects than MKG and Davis. That's not even accounting for Shabazz Muhammad and Nerlens Noel, where there is very little dropoff from Davis to Noel and there is basically no one in this class like Muhammad. This year you'll probably see someone like Jared Sullinger go in the top five.

You're straight up wrong about McAdoo, Barnes, and Henson. My sister is from Chapel Hill and her boyfriend is an alum, UNC is the program I follow the closest and have the best pulse of aside from Richmond and VCU. I've been talking about and watching Barnes for two years just about, I feel like I've seen the full spectrum with him and figured out what he can do. Barnes is overrated, Henson is slightly underrated, and McAdoo is extremely underrated. McAdoo has most of Barnes's skills, better interior scoring skills, is a better ball handler, can play PF in the NBA, and is a much better athlete with a better body. He's a better long term prospect than Barnes is. I want to remember this issue and revisit it in a few years to see who ended up being the better prospect because I'm pretty confident it's going to be McAdoo.

---------- Post added March-28th-2012 at 09:43 PM ----------

Any thoughts on Jeremy Lamb?

Too much NY in him for my liking.

[RonArtest15]

First off, I wasn't comparing McAdoo to Duncan directly. You're creating a straw man. I was saying he comes from a similar mold.

Duncan played all four years, something that will never happen again with a player of his caliber. His "most polished big in the history of college BB" will never change because of that. McAdoo is just a smooth player with a lot of Duncan in him. He's form over flash, has a similar low key personality, and a classic PF skill set.

Also, I'm not even sure a freshman Tim Duncan gets much burn on this UNC team. It's one of the most talented NCAA teams ever assembled. It could have four lottery picks and six first round picks this year if McAdoo, Marshall, and Hairston all declare.

Mark my words, if guys like McAdoo and Zeller go back to school, the top of next year's class will be better and more successful than this year's. This class has two upper echelon prospects, then a big dropoff yet wide depth of very good, but not great prospects.

Give McAdoo and Zeller a year to fill out and get burn, then they're probably better, more complete prospects than MKG and Davis. That's not even accounting for Shabazz Muhammad and Nerlens Noel, where there is very little dropoff from Davis to Noel and there is basically no one in this class like Muhammad. This year you'll probably see someone like Jared Sullinger go in the top five.

You're straight up wrong about McAdoo, Barnes, and Henson. My sister is from Chapel Hill and her boyfriend is an alum, UNC is the program I follow the closest and have the best pulse of aside from Richmond and VCU. I've been talking about and watching Barnes for two years just about, I feel like I've seen the full spectrum with him and figured out what he can do. Barnes is overrated, Henson is slightly underrated, and McAdoo is extremely underrated. McAdoo has most of Barnes's skills, better interior scoring skills, is a better ball handler, can play PF in the NBA, and is a much better athlete with a better body. He's a better long term prospect than Barnes is. I want to remember this issue and revisit it in a few years to see who ended up being the better prospect because I'm pretty confident it's going to be McAdoo.

---------- Post added March-28th-2012 at 09:43 PM ----------



Too much NY in him for my liking.

Dude, you're insane. LOL.

Duncan averaged close to a double-double to go with around 4bpg as a freshman...but somehow he wouldn't get burn on the current UNC team???? WHAT!!!????!!! I don't know how good your memory is of Tim Duncan at WF, especially as a frosh, but you're way off base. I seriously question how much you remember or watched of Duncan back in 93' seeing that you were probably 6/7 years old. This guy from the jump was one of the best defensive players to ever play college basketball. It was evident as a FRESHMAN.

McAdoo needs another year at UNC, and whatever team that takes him this year is going to have a major project on their hands. He's not someone who is going to step in and contribute right away. PLEASE re-visit this thread in a couple of years to compare how he's doing to the likes of both Barnes/Henson.

[Chachie]

Dude, you're insane. LOL.

Duncan averaged close to a double-double to go with around 4bpg as a freshman...but somehow he wouldn't get burn on the current UNC team???? WHAT!!!????!!! I don't know how good your memory is of Tim Duncan at WF, especially as a frosh, but you're way off base. I seriously question how much you remember or watched of Duncan back in 93' seeing that you were probably 6/7 years old. This guy from the jump was one of the best defensive players to ever play college basketball. It was evident as a FRESHMAN.

By the time Duncan was ready to play pro ball he was a coach's dream, destined to win a title. I don't know how many players coming out right now can say that but I'm gonna have a stab.

Zero...point...zero.

[stevemcqueen1]

Dude, you're insane. LOL.

Duncan averaged close to a double-double to go with around 4bpg as a freshman...but somehow he wouldn't get burn on the current UNC team???? WHAT!!!????!!! I don't know how good your memory is of Tim Duncan at WF, especially as a frosh, but you're way off base. I seriously question how much you remember or watched of Duncan back in 93' seeing that you were probably 6/7 years old. This guy from the jump was one of the best defensive players to ever play college basketball. It was evident as a FRESHMAN.

McAdoo needs another year at UNC, and whatever team that takes him this year is going to have a major project on their hands. He's not someone who is going to step in and contribute right away. PLEASE re-visit this thread in a couple of years to compare how he's doing to the likes of both Barnes/Henson.

Once again, you're pretty much making a straw man here. You chose to focus on what was essentially a throwaway part of my post, the least important part, that was more a comment on how stacked this UNC team was than anything negative about Duncan himself (who was my favorite player growing up). Then you ignored the rest, which was about McAdoo.

Sig bet that if McAdoo ends up going back to school, he gets drafted higher than Barnes?

Separate bet that McAdoo ends up being the far better NBA player?

[Destino]

McGee made the top ten (#2) for doing exactly what everyone hated. Got a steal ran the length of the floor and dunked from far out, over poor Calderon.

[RonArtest15]

Once again, you're pretty much making a straw man here. You chose to focus on what was essentially a throwaway part of my post, the least important part, that was more a comment on how stacked this UNC team was than anything negative about Duncan himself (who was my favorite player growing up). Then you ignored the rest, which was about McAdoo.

Sig bet that if McAdoo ends up going back to school, he gets drafted higher than Barnes?

Separate bet that McAdoo ends up being the far better NBA player?

A throwaway, but you still felt inclined to include it in what you typed....I commented on something YOU said, but I'm the one making a strawman. OK. I don't think you realize how insane your comment was. It's fine and dandy that Duncan was your favorite player growing up, but I still question how much you saw him play while at WF. A man who made the 50th Anniversary All ACC-Team would somehow have a hard time cracking the lineup for the current tar heels team. LOL. Hilarious.

As far as your "bets," I couldn't give two turds about a sig bet.....if McAdoo goes higher than Barnes, you can tell me I was wrong. If McAdoo somehow has a better career than Barnes, you can also tell me that I was wrong. And I'll do the same for you.

[Reaper 21]

If Tim Duncan couldn't play for this unc "all-star" team then how the hell did they lose. Robinson is better than all of the unc starting 5 and Robinson couldnt hold Timmy jock at wf. Your unc bias is like a skins bias to devin Thomas and da comb. By that I mean get real.

[stevemcqueen1]

A throwaway, but you still felt inclined to include it in what you typed....I commented on something YOU said, but I'm the one making a strawman. OK. I don't think you realize how insane your comment was. It's fine and dandy that Duncan was your favorite player growing up, but I still question how much you saw him play while at WF. A man who made the 50th Anniversary All ACC-Team would somehow have a hard time cracking the lineup for the current tar heels team. LOL. Hilarious.

As far as your "bets," I couldn't give two turds about a sig bet.....if McAdoo goes higher than Barnes, you can tell me I was wrong. If McAdoo somehow has a better career than Barnes, you can also tell me that I was wrong. And I'll do the same for you.

Straw man gets thrown around a lot here, often incorrectly.

But in your response to my McAdoo posts, you give a clear example of the tactic: attributing the weakest argument to the opposing side. In argumentation, the standardly held course is to attribute the strongest arguments to the opposing side in order to make a productive examination. It's par for the course at ES, I only know a few posters who don't really do it. Imperium for an example.

I never said McAdoo was an equal prospect to Tim Duncan and yet you assumed I did and railed against that rather than address any other claim in my post--creating a straw man to fight.

I was mostly joking when I said that TD wouldn't get much PT on UNC, using the statement as an illustration of how crazy it is that UNC could have six first round picks this year if they all declared, with four or five of them going in the lottery. You took it absolutely literally, created the straw man to fight, and pretty much ignored all of the rest of the post to hone in on one thing you felt like you could attack.

It's not a lot of fun to argue with someone who does this.

So I'm going to be petty if I'm right about McAdoo versus Barnes and bring it back up. Kind of like how I'm going to do about the Carmelo thing and the quality of NY's roster if it keeps working like it has recently .

---------- Post added March-29th-2012 at 10:14 AM ----------

If Tim Duncan couldn't play for this unc "all-star" team then how the hell did they lose. Robinson is better than all of the unc starting 5 and Robinson couldnt hold Timmy jock at wf. Your unc bias is like a skins bias to devin Thomas and da comb. By that I mean get real.

First off, I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Also, I think it's pretty clear UNC's tourney run was doomed after Kendall Marshall went down.

[Fight4RGIII]

Last night, McGee threw down a HUGE dunk while his team got smashed by their opponent (Raptors). That situation sounds all too familiar...

[stevemcqueen1]

Also, FWIW, I have fairly vivid memories of TD at Wake. I remember sitting on the floor at my grandfather's house and watching him play in the ACC championship game against Georgia Tech like it was yesterday. I remember going to basketball camp in the summer and being taught by one of the Wake assistants who worked with TD one on one. He taught us how to power dribble like TD, and how to do his sky hook. I remember feeling like crap after watching them lose to Stanford in the tourney, and how nasty Brevin Knight was back then.

[Destino]

Last night, McGee threw down a HUGE dunk while his team got smashed by their opponent (Raptors). That situation sounds all too familiar...

Actually his dunk put the Nuggets up 73-67 and came off of a steal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dqONoCf-A

[Fight4RGIII]

Actually his dunk put the Nuggets up 73-67 and came off of a steal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dq...eature=related

The idea of McGee getting a highlight reel play and his team losing by a good deal and not showing up in the 4th quarter is where I'm going with this. That 73-67 lead means nothing.