The Official Washington Wizards Thread

[stevemcqueen1]

I doubt Sully slips past Cleveland or even Denver. His production will be too much to pass up. Just another poster boy for why you should come out when your stock is high.

If he's falling for medical reasons, they would have come out last year too. If anything, he's a better prospect than he was last season because he showed off a little more ability to face up and shoot this year.

[Dukes and Skins]

I doubt Sully slips past Cleveland or even Denver. His production will be too much to pass up. Just another poster boy for why you should come out when your stock is high.

His stock was still high this year, that medical report was gonna come out either way

[Fight4RGIII]

His stock was still high this year, that medical report was gonna come out either way

It was a much weaker draft and I'm positive he would have gone higher last year, red flagged or not.

[TheREALJBird]

I'm seeing in this thread talks of getting #6 and 11 from Portland, is there any validity to this or is it pure speculation?

[Thinking Skins]

I'm right back where I was a few weeks ago. I want MKG. I don't mind Beal, but I think MKG has more potential to be a star.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I remember when Dejuan Blair was supposed to be a lottery pick.

[RonArtest15]

Saw this on BF...it's in regards to the "rumors" of the #3 + Blatche for #6 + Matthews.

This is an Acorn 5 situation! An idea is floating around, consisting of flipping Andray Blatche and the #3 pick to the Trail Blazers for Wesley Matthews and the #6. In principle, this is quite literally one of the worst things I have ever heard. In honesty, it isn't even the worst thing I heard this past week. Compromising the last major draft asset DC is likely to see for quite some time so we don't have watch a cancerous contract walk for nothing? That's worse than nothing. I hope it isn't real.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/6...izards-bullets

I agree with this...trading the #3 JUST to get rid of Blatche is idiotic.

Anyways...I saw that the T-Wolves traded the #18 pick to the Rockets for Chase Budinger. They now have the #14, #16, and #18....There is no doubt in my mind they are gearing up for a HUGE draft-day trade for Dwight Howard.

*edit*

Just came across this...

• Back to the Lakers. If the Cavs are able to move up and nab Beal at No. 2, there’s talk the Lakers would be willing to make life easy for the Wizards and help them move out of the third spot. It would likely take power forward Pau Gasol. Far-fetched for now, but don’t be surprised if it’s something that’s explored in the right situation.

• Wizards big man Andray Blatche could also be part of that, or another, trade.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/26/1...00&feedID=3725

If this were to happen....S-M-H

[WALL-LE]

HELLL NO for Pau, but if it were bynum...

[No Excuses]

Getting Dwight out of the EC will help. We're looking at possibly Orlando and Boston missing the playoffs next year.

[Fight4RGIII]

Yes, Wizards lives would be made a lot easier if they were finally able to get out of the 3rd spot and get Gasol. NOT

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd take Pau but giving up the third pick for him is a rough deal. This is the kind of deal that Shard's contract should have brokered...

Regarding trading 3 for 6 and Matthews to drop Blatche: it's a rough deal, but Matthews is a somewhat useful player. He can shoot threes and play defense. His contract is more of an issue than anything.

We'd be trading a 4 year deal we could get out of today for a 4 year deal we're stuck with. We'd move down three spots in the draft and get a marginally useful shooting guard for our trouble. If I thought more highly of Matthews, I'd consider it, but this feels like a deal where both sides lose...

Just amnesty Blatche. We've got it and he's the only one we can use it on. Don't try and wheel and deal him around because he brings negative value to every trade. We can get better deals and just amnesty him.

[Warhead36]

I'm actually not totally against moving down to 6 and 11 IF Beal goes #2. Most likely we can get MKG or Barnes at 6 and pick up a SG like Waiters or Rivers at 11.

[stevemcqueen1]

Yes, Wizards lives would be made a lot easier if they were finally able to get out of the 3rd spot and get Gasol. NOT

Gasol + Nene + Wall is a surefire playoff team in the East.

That said, if the Lakers want to dump Gasol, we should not be giving up the third pick to facilitate that. That third pick is a more valuable asset to us long term than two years of Gasol.

Shard's deal should have been the carrot for a Gasol deal. Goddammit.

Gasol doesn't really make sense for us because of our salary situation, and dealing him to us doesn't make sense for the Lakers either.

We can't have him + Okafor + Nene on the squad, that's entirely too much money. Okafor's contract has two years on it so it's not even relief for the Lakers, they'd be giving up long term cap relief by swapping plus getting an inferior player in return. Nene's contract holds absolutely no interest for a team like the Lakers. Neither does Blatche's.

Shard's deal was the only deal we had that could have given the Lakers immediate cap relief. The only attractive assets we have to include in this deal are Wall (Hell no), Seraphin (I probably wouldn't), and the third pick (God...).

The Lakers are unlikely to be interested in the third pick on its own. But they could use it to bargain with Orlando for Dwight. Maybe 3rd plus Okafor and Blatche/Ariza for Pau gets a deal done.

But in the end, two seasons of playoffs before Pau his UFA/declines isn't worth the third overall pick to me. Once Pau leaves to piggy back onto a contender in two seasons, we'd be left with a core of John Wall + Nene + Vesely/Seraphin... maybe. We'd be too good to get high lotto picks but not nearly good enough to actually contend. Sounds exactly like the situation New Orleans got themselves into with Chris Paul. Basketball Purgatory.

Just amnesty Blatche and spend the third pick on a good player. Wall + Beal/MKG + Vesely + Seraphin + Nene is a better core, playoffs in the intervening period or no.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Gasol + Nene + Wall is a surefire playoff team in the East.

That said, if the Lakers want to dump Gasol, we should not be giving up the third pick to facilitate that. That third pick is a more valuable asset to us long term than two years of Gasol.

Shard's deal should have been the carrot for a Gasol deal. Goddammit.

Gasol doesn't really make sense for us because of our salary situation, and dealing him to us doesn't make sense for the Lakers either.

We can't have him + Okafor + Nene on the squad, that's entirely too much money. Okafor's contract has two years on it so it's not even relief for the Lakers, they'd be giving up long term cap relief by swapping plus getting an inferior player in return. Nene's contract holds absolutely no interest for a team like the Lakers. Neither does Blatche's.

Shard's deal was the only deal we had that could have given the Lakers immediate cap relief. The only attractive assets we have to include in this deal are Wall (Hell no), Seraphin (I probably wouldn't), and the third pick (God...).

The Lakers are unlikely to be interested in the third pick on its own. But they could use it to bargain with Orlando for Dwight. Maybe 3rd plus Okafor and Blatche/Ariza for Pau gets a deal done.

But in the end, two seasons of playoffs before Pau his UFA/declines isn't worth the third overall pick to me. Once Pau leaves to piggy back onto a contender in two seasons, we'd be left with a core of John Wall + Nene + Vesely/Seraphin... maybe. We'd be too good to get high lotto picks but not nearly good enough to actually contend. Sounds exactly like the situation New Orleans got themselves into with Chris Paul. Basketball Purgatory.

Just amnesty Blatche and spend the third pick on a good player. Wall + Beal/MKG + Vesely + Seraphin + Nene is a better core, playoffs in the intervening period or no.

I agree with your post.

But are you saying to include Blatches/ Ariza's contract into the bidding with the 3rd overall for Pau or did I read that wrong?

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd work out a package to send anything on the roster except John Wall to Sacramento for DeMarcus Cousins though. He's about the only big I would want to go out and trade for.

I'd go 3 + Nene + Booker for Cousins + John Salmons.

I think both sides come away with something here. We get Cousins. I think Wll + Cousins + Seraphin is a sustainably good core. They get a second top five pick, a young PF with a PER over 15 (which indicates he's going to be a quality rotational player at worst) and a quality veteran big to replace 80-90% of Cousins offense and efficiency and make that locker room more experienced and much more stable--which it desperately needs. The Kings could reorganize themselves around Tyreke, Isiah Thomas, Jimmer, Thornton, Nene, and Jason Thompson + two of Harrison Barnes/TRob/MKG/Beal/Drummond. Imagine if they got MKG/Barnes and Drummond/TRob. That'd actually be a potent roster.

It's going to hurt a bit for both teams. We'd be taking a huge risk on Cousins, essentially giving up two highly valuable pieces and one more pretty valuable piece for just one in return. Cousins isn't the most stable element either. But it'd be swinging for the fences for legit potential. The Kings would be risking giving up a potential top 3 Big and franchise centerpiece in return for getting out of Salmons's deal, adding two more stabilizing pieces in the front court of quality, and potentially adding a second high quality big.

OR Sacramento could go balls out and deal 3 and 5 for something special. If they're willing to deal Tyreke and some of those picks, I think they could get a Superstar in return. Tyreke plus 3 plus Jason Thompson and maybe Chuck Hayes's contract for Dwight Howard?

It's a giant risk for Sacramento unless Dwight signs an extension. But man, that's a trade that could be hugely beneficial for both sides. Dwight + Nene would be the best front court in the game. And they've already got a PG and some shooters/scorers at the 2 in Isiah and Thornton/Jimmer. They'd have a ton of salary space to sign FAs. and if they hold on to the 5th pick in that deal, then they might get MKG/Banes for a wing. In a single offseason they could become a league power.

In return, Orlando comes out of the Dwight debacle with as much hope for the future as they're going to get. Tyreke plus 3 probably gets the Dummond if they want him and Jason Thompson would be a good short term filler. Tyreke is an elite scorer in the mean time, plus they could probably count on getting a high lotto pick this season. If they managed to get the fifth pick also, they'd be going about a rebuild as quickly as possible.

It sounds crazy, but there is enough incentive in each of those deals for each team to make them: for their trouble as the broker, Sacramento immediately vaults into contention. Orlando gets to jump off a sinking ship as gracefully as possible. And we get a 21 year old potential top 3 big man who we already know works marvelously well with our star PG. I think everyone comes out ahead here.

---------- Post added June-26th-2012 at 12:07 PM ----------

I agree with your post.

But are you saying to include Blatches/ Ariza's contract into the bidding with the 3rd overall for Pau or did I read that wrong?

I assume you would have to.

Ariza/Blatche are seven million each. You'd probably need to add them to the deal to make the salary match Pau's. Pau for Okafor leaves the Lakers short about 5 million in salary. We'd have to cover that with a contract and Blatche and Ariza are our only ones that can cover it with just one contract. Otherwise we'd have to deal like Vesely + two of Crawford/Seraphin/Booker. I wouldn't want to do that at all.

The third pick has to be in the package to incentivize the deal for the Lakers.