RI: Could Albert Haynesworth overturn his suspension?

[adam@section118]

This answers my question of when he could have an appeal heard. So he is probably out this Sunday for sure (I doubt his agent has filed the appeal) and unless they get the appeal in today or tomorrow he will miss 2 games for sure.

Will be interesting to see how much evidence TPTB actually have on his "insubordination"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

The Redskins do not expect to immediately fill the opening on their 53-man roster created by the suspension of disgruntled defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth.

The team apparently plans to keep the spot open unless a need arises or a player of interest unexpectedly becomes available.

Meanwhile, the NFL Players Association is moving forward with plans to support Haynesworth, a two-time all-pro, in the appeals process.

Haynesworth's camp is expected to seek an expedited appeal, which would be heard within seven days after a request is filed. Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, suspended players have the right to an expedited appeal, according to two people familiar with the CBA's language on this subject.

Although the CBA provides teams with latitude to suspend players for a maximum of four games, there's no guarantee Haynesworth's suspension won't be overturned in arbitration.

The Redskins did not reveal their full list of grievances against Haynesworth, but it could be difficult for them to prove some claims. One of those, for example, was Coach Mike Shanahan's statement that Haynesworth "consistently indicated to our defensive coaches that he refuses to play in our base defense."

Haynesworth, however, prepared to line up at nose tackle in the "Okie," or base 3-4 alignment, before the embarrassing Week 13 loss to the New York Giants, according to two people familiar with the coaching staff's intentions. The result of the appeal may hinge on whether the Redskins have recordings of Haynesworth's refusals or have documented them in some other way.

Moreover, Redskins coaches said they decided to play Haynesworth primarily in the nickel packages to most benefit the team. He struggled in the Okie but was effective rushing the passer, so coaches figured playing him in the nickel made the most sense. Haynesworth may contend that the decision on how to deploy him was made by the coaches.

The Redskins, according to Haynesworth's agent, never informed Haynesworth, officially or otherwise, that he was in danger of facing severe disciplinary action this season.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

This is on the docket right after the Favre issue gets done .......Even if this case is pushed ahead rocket style, it would appear unlikely that this gets resolved prior to the end of the regular season. I am sure that the players association is thrilled to tie themselves to a turd like Haynesworth during a time when the public opinion of both is already in the crapper.

[Hitman21ST]

Hypothetically, if it gets overturned after the season's over, what happens?

[santana_4_prez]

Worst case scenario, it gets over-turned and he is still suspended, but WITH pay. Either way, he won't be on a 53 man roster for Washington ever again.

[dallasfan]

The only difference is if Hayensworth gets paid. If the redskins just said they would deactivate him for the last 4 games, Haynesworth likely wouldn't fight it. The interesting part will be in the offseason, if the skins don't release him and try to trade him. He could file a grivence saying the skins have no plans to use him, yet won't release him.

[Hitman21ST]

The only difference is if Hayensworth gets paid. If the redskins just said they would deactivate him for the last 4 games, Haynesworth likely wouldn't fight it. The interesting part will be in the offseason, if the skins don't release him and try to trade him. He could file a grivence saying the skins have no plans to use him, yet won't release him.

I don't think he was in our plans this year, but no one offered what Shanny wanted, so he became an also-ran. Knowing that we don't want him will lower his trade value, but I don't think we outright release him.

[Dukes and Skins]

Hypothetically, if it gets overturned after the season's over, what happens?

He'll sit inactive on the sidelines that's what might happen. I dont think though this gets overturned but then again I'm just an angry fan

[onedrop]

in any other profession if a person told a superior that they outright refused to speak to their ultimate boss they would be straight up FIRED. no way al wins this. hes played everything his way up until now because he already got paid. now hes screwed. and its his own fault.

[Hail_Skins]

If he fights it, then it will probably be the most effort he has put into anything (except that turd during the conditioning test) this year.

[Truant]

With all the antics that have occurred with this situation over the last 6 months or so, if we cannot pull off a suspension we truly are not running a tight ship.

The situation has been poorly handled all-around.

[SWFLSkins]

I think the ES community ought to get together a signed letter supporting the players and not the player. I would be glad to form a letter and then we could all sign off on it and then send it to the Executive Committee and the Executive Director of the Executive Committee for the Players Association. It might not amount to much, but they must hear how we the Redskins fans feel about what has occured.

Having served on a national associations BOD I can tell you first hand that letters like these out of the blue addressing motions or considerations do hold value.

Afterall we are the fans in which the money is generated to support this association of players. And I think most of us Redskins fans are true football fans who value hard working NFL players and the league in general, but don't support what Albert Haynesworth has done since being on this team. It is demeaning to think our owner tried to elevate our teams competitiveness only to have Haynesworth collect a check he never earned. How many Vet. Min. players would like to have 10 percent of AH salary without missing camp, OTA's and/or take plays off. Add to this insubordination by proclaiming he was, "no longer speaking with the Coach".

Enough of this already, if they want to endorse him it will not be without notice. They too need to make a statement using values based on moral integrity.

http://www.nflplayers.com/About-us/N...ive-Committee/

http://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/N...tive-Director/

Individual team representatives

http://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/N...f-Player-Reps/

The Redskins representatives

Washington Redskins
Rep: Vonnie Holliday

Co-Alt:
Co-Alt: Josh Bidwell
Casey Rabach

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The first line of the Code of Conduct for the Players Association is this..................All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League"

I think this qualifies as a possible blow to public confidence.

[adam@section118]

I agreew with those of you saying Albert will fight this is for no other reason then to get his money.

Him being a player we all hate right now put to the side, think about how we budget. We normally budget paycheck to paycheck when we first start working, and as we get a little more comfortable we either get really good at putting some money to the side to save or we just expand our budget on how much we can spend each pay period.

NFL players have openly admitted that more guys then not are living paycheck to paycheck. Heck, NBA guys were doing it and I remember meeting with a lawyer who had a friend who worked for the NBAPA, and he said the girlfreinds (and I assume wives)were furious that the income was not coming in. This helped the NBA "win" the last lockout I would not be surrpised if Albert is living paycheck to paycheck, and losing this money really hurt him where it hurts (good!)

SWFLSkins, I have no clue if that would help or not, but I would gladly sign off on a letter for something like that.

[Buford]

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't Haynesworth tell his agent he would show at mini-camp before he didn't?

For all we know, The Skins gave written notices to Albert himself knowing that he might not even open them. There could be a pile somewhere that were never looked at.

Why should they go out of their way to keep his agent in the loop. If anything, you want them off the same page so one makes statements to the press that turn out to be untrue only because the player never let him know.

I'm not saying the Skins were smart and documented everything in detail. But I hope they did.

[adam@section118]

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't Haynesworth tell his agent he would show at mini-camp before he didn't?

For all we know, The Skins gave written notices to Albert himself knowing that he might not even open them. There could be a pile somewhere that were never looked at.

Why should they go out of their way to keep his agent in the loop. If anything, you want them off the same page so one makes statements to the press that turn out to be untrue only because the player never let him know.

I'm not saying the Skins were smart and documented everything in detail. But I hope they did.

If I am a agent and a player did that to me I would be pissed and drop him or her in a heartbeat

I would think common courtesy would be to send a copy of everything to the agent, but just common sense would dictate that every letter you receive as a player you would share with you agent....wouldn’t it?

I'm not saying the Skins were smart and documented everything in detail. But I hope they did.

I am really hoping this is the case as well. Only time will tell.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't Haynesworth tell his agent he would show at mini-camp before he didn't?

For all we know, The Skins gave written notices to Albert himself knowing that he might not even open them. There could be a pile somewhere that were never looked at.

Why should they go out of their way to keep his agent in the loop. If anything, you want them off the same page so one makes statements to the press that turn out to be untrue only because the player never let him know.

I'm not saying the Skins were smart and documented everything in detail. But I hope they did.

I would imagine notices went out to both player and agent