we dont suck enough to out suck the panthers, bills, lions and whomever i missed with 1-3 wins!
Basically we'd need the Panthers to win a game (or two) so the Lions or Bills end up with the top pick. Even then we'd have to outbid them in a tradeup without having any mid-round picks to package.
Yes lets ignore the Oline and our needs on the Dline espicially an elite Nt and some backers and have two big name quarterbacks
And who are they going to throw too?
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Well seeing how the Rams are a totally different team with a big time QB id say ok. Even though im a McNabb supporter. I guess if we could get something for him i would do it. But that still doesn't help the OL
If we package picks to trade up, it'll be significant picks. I don't see anything currently on our roster that we could trade to recoup those draft picks, either. We're talking this years/next years firsts + a few others. So we'd have a very good, young, quarterback at our disposal... Which is very important... But it would take another 4-5 years to get anything around him. If we had rebuilt the way I believe we should have in the first place, we may be in natural position to draft Luck. This is why the "be competitive while 'rebuilding' " route is a poor choice. Now we're up the creek without a paddle and what has it gotten us?
And hell, if we did well while rebuilding the right way, then I'd have still been okay with it because then we'd have less holes to shore up.
$21 million in bonuses between the draft and the start of the 2nd season. With the 2011 season in doubt, any team drafting Luck is going to be looking at spending up to $25 million in bonuses against zero revenue. That's very hard on small market teams like the Bills and Panthers.
Redskins also have Haynesworth to trade. The main reason he is devalued right now is his contract in relation to his attitude. Skins could tear up the existing contract with Haynesworth, bonus him again and trade him as part of the Andrew Luck deal. Either to the team with the #1 pick or in a 3-way trade to pick up more picks. Haynesworth on a veteran minimum + incentives contract (bonus paid by Redskins) is probably worth a #2 pick. So is McNabb under contract, for the right team.
Thinking creatively, the Skins could have a #1 pick around #6, plus #38, plus McNabb / Haynesworth or their equivalent in two #2 picks. That might be enough by itself to move up, given the uncertainty over the 2011 season. It's certainly enough if they want to throw in the 2012 #1 pick, which would be worth doing if necessary. However, I'd like to see the team retain one #2 pick this year if possible, so they can acquire at least one impact interior lineman, NT, OLB, or FS.
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What concerns me is that say we DO work some magnificent deal and get Luck AND he does turn out as well as projected (there's a lot of big ifs in there), and we finally have a franchise QB, ok fine. You still don't have a team around him, you've spent a major portion of the next two year's assets acquiring him and you may need to sit him a year or part of one just to get him up to speed. No matter how good he is in college it just ain't the pros. Highly touted incredibly well-paid rooks get a baptism of fire when they come in, defenses across the schedule will be looking forward to playing "Welcome to the NFL" with the new kid. Unless you're going to have Trent surgically attached to him for protection, (something that might interfere with his throwing motion a tad), he is going to be running for his life behind a shamblized O-line that also won't be able to give him the running game to take the pressure off like Jackson does for Bradford. Ok but he's a star! Wonder of wonders he does manage to produce, "get" the pro game right off the bat and you consistently score better in every game all season long. Your D, with no resources to fortify it, is a sieve and just gives up more points so you end up losing the games anyway. I can hear some of you now, "Yeah well, it's his rook season, at least we have our QB now!" Year 2 you still haven't fixed the line because you spent some of those picks on making the deal for a QB and your vets are a year older and leave you with more holes to fill, you still haven't fixed the D, you haven't added WR or RB help unless you get extremely lucky in FA or discover an unseen gem UDFA player..............oh, and add in that you have to pick quality starters in the late rounds, have to, because that's you're only hope of any help, and we all know how easy it is to do that......
Keeerist, there are so many if's in there, so many stars need to align before you actually start getting a return on this huge investment (and that only happens if he DOES turn out as well as people think) that you're probably better off planning on hitting the Powerball and the MegaMillions back to back to make ends meet. We mortgage the next couple of years for a rook QB and then have two (or more) losing seasons and people will riot because their expectations will be so amped up because we took Luck.
Look at Carson Palmer for example, highly touted, first pick, hell of a good QB........ where has that gotten them? Seriously, they are not that much closer to playing in a SB because of that. It takes more than one player, even a superb one, to bring success.
The less flashy plan of fixing the O-line, not adding one guy but fixing it but adding top talent through the draft and FA, and then doing as much as you can with your D would paying greater dividends sooner, and would not leave you scrood by one injury to one guy.
This isn't even about how good Luck might be, it is a question of doing the reasonable, prudent thing to make the team better.
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Get some real facts and evidence instead of a conspiracy theory to present to this board. This is not too far off from a possibility but too highly unlikely to happen given all the people that would have to be involved tp pull it off.
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