Andrew Luck theory: After the bye, did Shanahan tank the Redskins season on purpose? Was there hidden purpose in the McNabb extension?

[zoony]

At risk of hijacking my own thread, why Mallet over Luck?

I don't have my own direct opinion yet, but it's hard to avoid the variety of scouts saying that Luck is at least as good as Bradford, possibly better and more durable, and some think he's the best college player or QB they've scouted in a decade. .

No other reason than Mallet has been on my radar since his first year at Arkansas. I just think he has all the tools. He's tall, incredibly quick release, and he throws a beautiful ball. He's got some decent footwork, too. This guy has Tom Brady 2.0 written all over him imo.

That said, I haven't even seen Luck play this season. All I know about him is what I've read. So really, just kind of talking out of my ass.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

hahahahahaha what?

I wouldn't draft Mallet on the first DAY of the draft, let alone the first round. You pretty much got the guy's skillset wrong too - he has an incredibly sloooooow release, terrible footwork, terrible decision-making and has character issues. He's also a statue in the pocket. Now, Shanny's a guy who can make something out of nothing with QBs (see Griese and Plummer), and I'd burn a 3rd or 4th on him if I had Reid as my coach, or had the Colts or Patriots offensive system, because he has a hell of an arm, and he has charisma. But other than that, I wouldn't touch the guy.

This guy is Jamarcus Russell 2.0. If he's as good as Jason Campbell I'll be shocked.

[ConnSKINS26]

I won't be as disrespectful in my post as Imperium, but I kinda agree with him. I'm pretty positive that I've read over and over that Mallet has a slow release and isn't mobile. That's not really going to work here, but he definitely could be one of those guys who needs to develop under the right coach.

[Rodriggo]

You're giving this FO waaaaaay too much credit.

For starters, at the bye they were nowhere near the top of the draft and they're still not. They're currently 10th and there is a 0% chance Luck is available by then. Heck, there's a 0% chance he'd be available by the 5th pick assuming they continue to lose.

Plus McNabb has zero trade value and even if he did it would be nowhere near the top of the first round of any draft. The Redskins as a team have almost no trade value so moving up in the draft is going to be close to impossible.

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Uh, that was covered at the time. After that day, signing bonuses for new deals would be spread over the length of the contract rather than in 2010. McNabb knew that the deal on the table (which had been there unchanged since the beginning of the season) would likely change and not in McNabb's favor. So, he took the deal.

Hey, cool, a factual rebuttal. That's rare. Points to you!

So, yes, you make an excellent point. See: CBA, Article XXIV, Section 7 (Valuation of Player Contracts), (b) (Signing Bonuses), (iv)(18):

(18) Any increase in a player's Salary for the current League Year, if the NFL Management Council does not receive notice of the salary terms of such an executed extended or renegotiated contract prior to 4:00 p.m. (New York Time) on the Monday of the tenth week of the regular season.

Analysis: The deadline for adding non-prorated salary to a player's contract is monday of week 10. After that, any increase in salary gets prorated as though it is a signing bonus.

[zoony]

hahahahahaha what?

I wouldn't draft Mallet on the first DAY of the draft, let alone the first round. You pretty much got the guy's skillset wrong too - he has an incredibly sloooooow release, terrible footwork, terrible decision-making and has character issues. He's also a statue in the pocket. Now, Shanny's a guy who can make something out of nothing with QBs (see Griese and Plummer), and I'd burn a 3rd or 4th on him if I had Reid as my coach, or had the Colts or Patriots offensive system, because he has a hell of an arm, and he has charisma. But other than that, I wouldn't touch the guy.

This guy is Jamarcus Russell 2.0. If he's as good as Jason Campbell I'll be shocked.

Wow. Here is some video of him rolling the pocket and throwing deadly accurate on the run, off his back foot, stepping up in the pocket, stepping into his throw, keeping his left arm tight, and what, imo, is a quick release, and even running the ball in for TD's.

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That said, you can believe whatever the **** you want to believe


By the way, for anyone interested in NOT acting like a flaming know it all 21 year old douche, pay particular attention to his roll-outs. e.g. around the 1:10 mark in the video. However, if you want to act like a douche, just skip this post.

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Hey, cool, a factual rebuttal. That's rare. Points to you!

So, yes, you make an excellent point. See: CBA, Article XXIV, Section 7 (Valuation of Player Contracts), (b) (Signing Bonuses), (iv)(18):

Or, maybe you aren't right. Hard to tell.

Football Outsiders has a writeup on the contract extension and specifically says:

Without the mechanism (because the deal was executed after Week 10), the special teams incentive would have been treated as signing bonus ...

It's an odd comment, because the deal was disclosed shortly before MNF on Monday of Week 10. The Week 10 CBA deadline is specifically 4pm Monday. It sure looks like they made the deadline, but Football Outsiders says otherwise.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I thought about this thread today, and how our kickers must be in on it.

[Fat Stupid Loser]

Is Luck even that good? I didn't see many Stanford games, and he's only 27 in YPG.

Yeah, he is. And he is smart. I want a freakin smart QB. I want a Pennington with his shoulder intact. Luck is that kind of QB.

[Beans]

Uh-Oh! Looks like Florio was reading ExtremeSkins again! (Or stealing NFL Network's material) That's Florio's M.O.

It's not worth tanking to get Mallet or Newton. Those guys will be stinkers. Skins need Luck, literally and figuratively!

Unfortunately, Luck will go 1st overall, so he is not a possibility. I'm scared. Real scared. This could be another "Candle" moment in the draft that sets back our beloved franchise years!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...a-quarterback/

"The Washington Redskins’ decision this week to bench Donovan McNabb in favor of Rex Grossman has a lot of people asking, What is Mike Shanahan thinking?

Perhaps he’s thinking about drafting a quarterback in 2011 — and thinking that losing the final three games gives him a better chance of acquiring the quarterback he wants.

That was the subject of a discussion this morning on NFL Network, focusing on whether Shanahan is throwing the rest of the season so he can get a high draft pick next year.

“They’re really thinking about drafting a quarterback,” NFL Network reporter Michael Lombardi said. “The move to Rex Grossman, I’ve been told reliably by people in the Washington organization, has nothing to do with him being the quarterback of the future. It’s about them being in position next year to draft a quarterback.”"

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Yeah, he is. And he is smart. I want a freakin smart QB. I want a Pennington with his shoulder intact. Luck is that kind of QB.

This. After watching McFlabb and Candle, some intelligence at the position would be nice. Something I know Mallet and Newton lack. Hell, Newton was caught cheating like 3 times at Florida. And you know he was more than likely only taking "football player" classes. Can you say mental midget? As for Mallet, have you ever heard that guy speak? He sounds like Ben Roethlisberger's down syndrome afflicted twin.

P.S. I was also 100% right about Bradford. I can't believe the Skins didn't make that happen. Dude was part Native American. Imagine the marketing possibilities!

[IHOPSkins]

I love your posts because they are so well thought out and interesting......

AtlanatSF just created Hope again when All Was Lost

I don't know wether to thank him or commit an act of agression "Gimme something to Break" (2 Draft picks to the Eagles for a "Rent a Franchise" )

Just Kidding

Jimmy Johnson tanked a whole season and won some SBs.....And out-thinking the Media isn't hard to do

"Go Cow...........No!....OK"

"No....NO....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......ok"

Beer Me!

[whlinder]

We'll be drafting Jake Locker.

He sucks, but we'll draft him. Watch.

[Beans]

We'll be drafting Jake Locker.

He sucks, but we'll draft him. Watch.

Nooooooooooooooo! Now I won't be able to sleep until the draft! Thanks whlinder!

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Just when you though ATL was losing it with his post... something like this plays out and you see the logic behind it

[Larry Brown #43]

I don't believe Shanny tanked the season, but there are some elements of the OP I can go along with. I definitely think--especially now in retrospect--that the contract extension for McNabb was a ruse of some sort. The contract is so easily voidable and tradeable--it just doesn't look like the contract of a guy you're planning to build around.

They realized the only way they could get anything in return for McNabb at season's end was to sign him to an extension, otherwise he'd be a free agent. But they protected themselves by making the contract super team-friendly.

I now believe they had decided to move on from McNabb around the time of the extension, but again, they wanted to ensure that they wouldn't lose him outright and get nothing back. To me, an underreported part of this whole story is the apparent failure of McNabb's agent. He never should have advised McNabb to sign that contract without more guaranteed money and an assurance that he'd remain the starter next year. It's a one-sided contract with little benefit to McNabb. Which is good for us, but I really think McNabb's agent failed him here.

I think we'll try to get the best trade deal possible for McNabb after this season, but I think the number of potential suitors is very small--maybe two or three teams. Unlike the OP, I don't think McNabb will help us move up to the top pick. I think that's a separate issue from the McNabb trade. A team holding the #1 or #2 pick probably won't be interested in taking McNabb off our hands. Carolina or Cincinnati? I don't see either one being interested in McNabb, and they will likely be #1 and #2 in the draft order, respectively. And then there's Detroit, who's set with Stafford. So I don't see a link between a future McNabb trade and one of the top picks in the draft.

I suppose Carolina could suprise us all and decide to go for McNabb, but that seems very unlikely to me.