Drafting a franchise QB from the Redskins draft slot: what 25 years of history tells us

[Riggo#44]

Agreed, but hopefully not by the Skins.
If it's not Luck, we need to address as many needs as possible.
Luck seems to be a sure thing. If I'm Shanny, following the D5 debacle, I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon on to any other QB in the first round.

I think quite the opposite: Shanny wants to do this more and more...

[pray4surf]

I think quite the opposite: Shanny wants to do this more and more...

Draft Cam? I hope not. I'm no QB expert but I'd feel like we're settling since we couldn't trade up to get what we wanted.

[Elessar78]

Why is it a lot of people think that drafting the right guy is all there is to it? Given a different situation, Joe Montana might just be another bust. Had Favre not been traded out of Atlanta he may have been a footnote. Had Jeff George been drafted by a QB guru he could be Marino-esque. Steve Young might have been awful had he had to play right away instead of developing slowly under Montana. Carson Palmer might be the best QB in the league if he's on a different team.

To trade your whole draft for one guy is dumb. It takes 53 quality guys to win consistently in this league. It's a case of lazy-brain to think that Sam Bradford is the only reason the Rams have turned the corner. Just like all our problems are not because of McNabb/Campbell

[Dukes and Skins]

Why is it a lot of people think that drafting the right guy is all there is to it? Given a different situation, Joe Montana might just be another bust. Had Favre not been traded out of Atlanta he may have been a footnote. Had Jeff George been drafted by a QB guru he could be Marino-esque. Steve Young might have been awful had he had to play right away instead of developing slowly under Montana. Carson Palmer might be the best QB in the league if he's on a different team.

To trade your whole draft for one guy is dumb. It takes 53 quality guys to win consistently in this league. It's a case of lazy-brain to think that Sam Bradford is the only reason the Rams have turned the corner. Just like all our problems are not because of McNabb/Campbell

Actually it really isn't a case of "lazy brain" to think that. Look at the Rams this year on offense now with Bradford giving them a legitimate passing attack, Jackson has open holes to run through and the offense is putting up numbers they haven't in a while. While yes I do agree with your last part about 53 quality players, you can never underestimate the impact of a QB on how a team is doing in terms of better/worse

[benskins26]

Actually it really isn't a case of "lazy brain" to think that. Look at the Rams this year on offense now with Bradford giving them a legitimate passing attack, Jackson has open holes to run through and the offense is putting up numbers they haven't in a while. While yes I do agree with your last part about 53 quality players, you can never underestimate the impact of a QB on how a team is doing in terms of better/worse

Yep. And they're doing that with who at WR exactly? lol.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Good thread....one thing I've noticed is that the hit rate in our slot is very good recently (4 out of the last 7). Maybe the methods used to weed out bad choices have improved or maybe it's an anomaly, but it doesn't look quite as frightening when you consider that we seem to have a better than 50% chance on hitting on someone in our position when you take the last several drafts into account only. How relevant is the 1992 draft when you are looking at what it takes to win the in the NFL NOW?

Just a thought...in the end, I'd agree though that I'd trade just about anything to get Luck and start to build around him. With the cap space that we have, you could make the argument that we could use 2nd-tier FAs to begin to build around him in the first couple years (when we're short draft picks).

[jfriedenthal]

So.... every year you highlighted a QB, they have been "heavy QB drafts" per the experts. This is another one, so it isn't far fetched to get a franchise QB later (10 pick or later) this year.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Here are the teams currently ahead of us in draft order:

1. Carolina (2-12)
2. Denver (3-11)
3. Cincinnati (3-11)
4. Arizona (4-10)
5. Detroit (4-10)
6. Buffalo (4-10)
7. San Francisco (5-9)
8. Dallas (5-9)

The teams in bold are more-than-likely to be looking at a QB in the draft as well. I left Buffalo off due to Ryan Fitzpatrick looking pretty good there...

Considering there are four top QB prospects (Luck, Newton, Mallett and Locker) we will be left with "what's left over." I don't think we can safely assume that we are GOING to take a QB in the 1st round. And the more I read, the less and less I want Ryan Leaf...uh...I mean Mallett.

We really need to lose the last 2 games

One issue is Dallas and Arizona play each other. If Dallas could lose to Zona but beat Philly that would certainly help

Hopefully the 49ers can win the division and that takes them out of the top 10

So we could potentially move to number 5 overall, which would be striking distance to make a trade

[benskins26]

Ive posted this in other threads regarding this topic, but I'm not convinced that Carolina wants to make that pick, especially if that potential rookie pay scale isn't in place. In fact, I think we have a very good shot at getting him. If you look at the teams who pick ahead of us and need a QB, they're a lot closer to contending than we are, and would be better off with a McNabb veteran type than with a rookie and the learning curve. For example, there's a lot of young talent in San Fran, and if they had consistent play from the QB position, they could be a very good team instantly. Plus, Singletary doesnt have the time to wait for a QB to develop. Arizona is in similar situation- gotta appease your best player Larry, or lose him. Cincy needs a QB, so we might be competing with them, but I'm not sure they need one bad enough to give up a ton to get one right now.

[Forever21]

Actually it really isn't a case of "lazy brain" to think that. Look at the Rams this year on offense now with Bradford giving them a legitimate passing attack, Jackson has open holes to run through and the offense is putting up numbers they haven't in a while. While yes I do agree with your last part about 53 quality players, you can never underestimate the impact of a QB on how a team is doing in terms of better/worse

Great QB's can make poor lines and poor skill players look better than they are. Just like a great OL or great RB can make a bad QB seem good.

I'd take the great QB and build the OL from there every time.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The Skins can't afford to trade away draft picks period. The roster is just way to thin.

They certainly CAN if they plan to start building the right way...accepting that they aren't ready to win and being OK with developing the young players that they have. This is about to be the deepest FA class in a very long time (maybe even since FA began in the early 1990s). I believe we can get to between 40-50M under the cap with a few more veteran cuts. You can very easily trade away picks and a body or two to get Luck and surround him with enough talent so that he can begin to safely take his lumps. Then, since you have the biggest piece of the puzzle in-house, you can slowly begin to build your team around him and you're not rushed by any time-tables like you might be with McNabb/Grossman/Beck at QB. If it takes 4 years, so what, you still have a 25-year old QB about to hit his prime and 2 solid drafts to supplement your team (assuming the 2 before that were mostly traded away).

I don't think, if you have ANY shot to trade up to get him, you can pass on a potential Manning or Brady. Look at how much more promising teams like the Rams and even Lions are mostly due to their young, franchise QBs. Bradford has a decent line, an aging but very good RB, and nothing else on offense and St. Louis fans are watching a team that could finish .500 a year after going 1-15 (forget about the playoffs since most people will minimize that due to their division).

Get a QB and alter your plan accordingly once you have him!! I also believe that Shanahan is more likely to stick around and be patient if this approach can be taken. I have to imagine it's more encouraging to rebuild when you have that potential star than if you're building with a journeyman.

Edit: One more note...if we somehow get Luck here in DC, I promise Allen/Snyder that all 4 members of my family will be wearing his jersey by July or August of 2011. That's an adult male, an adult female, and two kids jerseys you can mark down as a "projected sale" for your 2011 targets!

[benskins26]

Edit: One more note...if we somehow get Luck here in DC, I promise Allen/Snyder that all 4 members of my family will be wearing his jersey by July or August of 2011. That's an adult male, an adult female, and two kids jerseys you can mark down as a "projected sale" for your 2011 targets!

Ditto. One for me, my wife, and my unborn (and unconceived at this point) son.

[Duckus]

Andrew Luck is going to command an enormous contract. Our biggest hope is that the #1 pick is held by a cheap ass owner/team who is looking to trade out of that financial commitment.

What is Carolina's owner like? Are they the type of team willing to drop huge amounts of money on a rookie QB?

[#98QBKiller]

Good post

If Luck is not possible, get Darius in round 1 and Hudson in round 2 to shore up both lines a bit.

Work on fixing the o-line and d-line until the opportunity presents itself. This QB draft to me is Luck or nothing, similar to last year being Bradford or nothing

And yes, I would have also traded quite a bit for Bradford. It looks like those of us who wanted him last offseason are fairly vindicated, even though Trent has been terrific

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Agree, but we were 4-3 at one point

There was still a very good chance at making the playoffs.

A 4-12 team wouldn't get us the top spot

And also, for those not wanting to trade the farm for Luck, this kid is the total package

Awesome video, that kid is the real deal.

[benskins26]

Andrew Luck is going to command an enormous contract. Our biggest hope is that the #1 pick is held by a cheap ass owner/team who is looking to trade out of that financial commitment.

What is Carolina's owner like? Are they the type of team willing to drop huge amounts of money on a rookie QB?

See my previous posts on this subject. As bad as Carolina needs a new face of their franchise (their averaging like 25k fans in the stadium, complete malaise by the fanbase), their owner, Jerry Richardson is no Dan Snyder. And they're actually a lot like us- holes ALL OVER the place. Plus they'll be going through a complete FO and Coaching overhaul. Unless they end up with Harbaugh, I just don't see them making that pick.