Shanny's record didn't justify his hiring. Shanny & Bruce must explain the overhaul to Danny.

[Rdskns2000]

You know just what earned Shanny respect in Danny's eyes? 2 Superbowl wins more than a decade ago?

Here's Shanny's record before Danny became the Redskins owner:


1988 Los Angeles Raiders 7 9 0 .438
1989 Los Angeles Raiders 1 3 0 .250- Shanny fired

1995 Denver Broncos 8 8 0 .500
1996 Denver Broncos 13 3 0 .813 0 1 .000
1997 Denver Broncos 12 4 0 .750 4 0 1.000 SB Champions
1998 Denver Broncos 14 2 0 .875 3 0 1.000 SB Champions


Shanny's been living off those 2 Superbowls ever since but he really hasn't done much since then.

1999 Denver Broncos 6 10 0 .375
2000 Denver Broncos 11 5 0 .688 0 1 .000
2001 Denver Broncos 8 8 0 .500
2002 Denver Broncos 9 7 0 .563
2003 Denver Broncos 10 6 0 .625 0 1 .000
2004 Denver Broncos 10 6 0 .625 0 1 .000
2005 Denver Broncos 13 3 0 .813 1 1 .500
2006 Denver Broncos 9 7 0 .563
2007 Denver Broncos 7 9 0 .438
2008 Denver Broncos 8 8 0 .500 - Shanny fired after the season
2010 Wash. Redskins 5 9 0 .357

The moment Shanny was fired, Danny wanted him. The thing is, post Elway Shanny did little to justify his so called reputation. I remember those 2 playoff loses in 2003 and 2004 were blowoff losses to the Colts. The only really good season he had was 2005 when Broncos lost to the Steelers in the AFC Championship game.


Based on Shanny's own history, I don't not see him being successful here or anywhere really. If he's given the time, he will bring us up to mediocrity and will get fired for failing to meet Snyder's expectations. Shanny is way overrated and is living off past glories.

I would love Snyder to can Shanny and Spawn. That isn't happening, well I am 90% sure that isn't happening. This is Dan Snyder, so you never know. Danny should demand Haslett's firing as Haslett took a strength and made it a weakness.

Shanny and Bruce needs to discuss with Shanny exactly what needs to be done. Explain to him that the next couple of years are going to be losing seasons, which will look really bad when the 18 game schedule kicks in. This years 5-11 will be a 5-13 in 2 years. The team needs a complete overhaul and it will take 2-3 years to complete rebuild.
They need to assure him that the fiasco of 2010 will not happen again.


Once they do that, I fully expect Shanny to get fired when the Skins fail to make the playoffs in Year 4.

I've said I would love for Shanny to go as he's pissed me off. I am pissed off fan though, so you know I may not be 100% rational. I don't believe Shanny will be successful, well as far as taking this team to the playoffs. He will rebuild us to a point and get fired and then his replacement will be the one to have some success. 2016 Superbowl here we come!

[killerbee99]

At this point, I am numb, don't care anymore.

[Maximus71]

What do you want? 12 super bowls? The patriots should have won 9 so far the way you are judging wins and losses! Ravens have been a winning team and only have 1 ring to show for it! Shanny has been a winning coach in his career, winning and turning a turd of a franchise like this one will take time!

[redskins59]

Getting to the playoffs almost every year is a good enough record based on the fact that this franchise has been in the playoffs only twice in the last 10 years. Shanny gave his team a chance to win the superbowl by taking them to the playoffs. If you're a redskins fan, don't even criticize his record. We've been to the playoffs only twice. That's pathetic.

[MartinC]

I would hope that as part of the hiring process Shanny and Allen discussed a 3 to 5 year plan with Snyder which set out the offensive and defensive philosophy and the front office and roster changes needed to develop a franchise that can consistently compete for Division titles and Super Bowls. If such a long term plan does not exist THEN I'm worried about Shanny and Allen.

As for this year, worse than I expected on offense and about what I expected on defense. Best we can say is we identified some young players and also identified some veterans who will not be part of the future here.

We now have a critical offseason coming the results of which will decide the next two or three years for our team - and longer if we get it wrong.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Time to put down the eggnog OP. You've had MORE than enough already.

Hail.

[bigjumbo1971]

I liked the hiring of Shanahan but he definitely has made some very bad decisions this year...hopefully its just rust and next year we'll see the growth

[zskins]

Maybe. Just maybe. Skins will be the team he wins another SB with.

[texasthunder]

So OP, who would you have hired?
To me Shanahan was the best man for the job, and evidently Snyder
thought the same thing.
Some of you have forgotten just how bad this franchise was!,
NO, we are not to total respectability, but damn, give the man a chance, Rome wasn't built
In a day.

Every head coach makes mistakes, if you don't believe that, go read some other teams message boards.
Did he handle every situation perfectly?
Not really, but he is human, and he handled them the way he felt was the best.
We as fans have the luxerey of hind site, the man making the decisions doesn't get afforded such entitlement.
I truly believe he is doing things that are in the best interest of the Redskins, as a team.

[Warhead36]

No, Shanny didn't win a Super Bowl or get back to one without Elway. But under him, the Broncos were always a solid, respectable club that made the playoffs quite often. Right now, I just want to be that. Lets not worry about Super Bowls, lets worry about at least being a team that can contend for the playoffs every year.

[authentic]

Shanny had a winning record in 8 out of the 10 season with Den after Elway. We've been one of the worst teams in the NFL during that same 10 year span. Now, what is your complaint again dude?

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

At this point, I am all for ignoring the majority of you whiny fans who just won't be patient to see anything develop... starting with you

[McD5]

OP.....we are the equivalent of the Baltimore Orioles or Washington Wizards. That kind of fail can take decades to correct, if ever.

Certainly you aren't a fan of this team because you believe we have a realistic chance to win the SB in the next five years.

Shanahan is an average, to maybe even slightly above average coach. Compare that to what the Orioles or Wizards have, and be happy we could attract even him.

[hail2skins]

In a couple of interviews over the past year Snyder has indicated that as long as he has an coach with a pedigree like Joe Gibbs or Mike Shanahan, he feels like he doesn't have to be as "involved." In other words, it seems like we're either going to be stuck with retreads or a meddling Danny. Wonderful.

Personally, I would've preferred we went with a young coordinator, but I guess Snyder really felt burned by the Zorn experiment. However, I wonder how he feels now that Mike has won only one more game than Zorn did with what was supposed to be a "franchise QB."

I agree with Warhead36 that the Broncos did seem to be a solid team under Shanny and I would like to see the rest of the proverbial movie with him at the helm. We simply cannot continue to go through coaches the way we did in Snyder's first decade as owner.

Also, I think in another thread the OP mentioned Gruden or Grimm as possible replacements. Was Gruden's record really that great after he won his SB? Also, while Grimm may be deserving of a HC position after all these years, I think people bring his name up just because he played here.

[grego]

you might want to give him more than 14 games.

unless you are happy with being perennial losers due in large part to the lack of continuity.