Looks like Jeff Fisher beats Yince Young in Tenn......possible trade partners for more than Al? NOTHING ABOUT TRADING FOR VINCE YOUNG!

[Mahons21]

An awful lot of unwarranted hate for VY in this thread.

few points:
a.) Headcases can change. Especially in a better environment. Think of the guys on that team when Young was drafted, is it any surprise that he doesn't know what is required of a NFL player to succeed at the highest level?

b.) Shannahan can deal with headcases and has dealt with them well in the past. Clinton Portis anyone? Jay Cutler?

c.) Lastly but most importantly, this is a NO RISK, possible HIGH REWARD acquisition. The Reskins would not love anything by giving VY a chance during camp, if he doesn't impress, cut his ass. If he does impress we gain one of two things 1.) Depth at the QB position or 2.) A new starting QB, for absolutely nothing.

[The Tris]

a.) Headcases can change. Especially in a better environment. Think of the guys on that team when Young was drafted, is it any surprise that he doesn't know what is required of a NFL player to succeed at the highest level?

He also played with people like Chris Hope, Kevin Mawae, and Keith Bullock, some of the more upstanding players in the league. By this season, there were no more personnel excuses for VY.

His time only overlapped with Pacman for one season. And don't blame AH for VY's psyche as a player. The Titans had plenty of other rookies come in during AH time in Nashville. None of them melted down like Young.

b.) Shannahan can deal with headcases and has dealt with them well in the past. Clinton Portis anyone? Jay Cutler?

When did Portis and Cutler get suicidal following a fight with their partner? VY is a whole new level of crazy.

c.) Lastly but most importantly, this is a NO RISK, possible HIGH REWARD acquisition. The Reskins would not love anything by giving VY a chance during camp, if he doesn't impress, cut his ass. If he does impress we gain one of two things 1.) Depth at the QB position or 2.) A new starting QB, for absolutely nothing.

Except the huge risk of delaying finding a long term solution at QB while we give Young "just a little more time to get it together".

There is a huge opportunity cost to signing VY, and there is a huge carrying cost having him take reps away from our future.

[Crazy Levi]

c.) Lastly but most importantly, this is a NO RISK, possible HIGH REWARD acquisition.

Ahh, the sweet siren song of the Extremeskinser.

There's no such thing as NO RISK when dealing with a guy like that. There's a huge risk. He told his coach to go **** himself. He's nuts. He's a malcontent. If he'll tell Fisher to go **** himself, he could certainly do the same to someone like Shanny.

Every second a guy like that is around the Skins, he's hurting the team. Just because you can cut him doesn't make it NO RISK.

NO RISK was what everyone was saying about Randy Moss...yeah right. Glad we didn't take the non-risk on that guy.

[Mahons21]

He also played with people like Chris Hope, Kevin Mawae, and Keith Bullock, some of the more upstanding players in the league. By this season, there were no more personnel excuses for VY.

By this season Young had already been molded into the person he would be for the Titans, possibly through players like Haynesworth, Pac Man Jones, and Courtland Finnegan, the real high-character guys in the league. If I recall correctly their is a receiver or two over their as well that has a questionable work ethic.

When did Portis and Cutler get suicidal following a fight with their partner.

When did I say they did? In addition you should not talk about something you know very little about. If VY walked in on his highschool sweeatheart with his childhood best friend, I can understand why he might have been extremely upset. If he was actually suffering from clinical depression a chemical imbalance in his brain that is out of his control, then again I can understand why I was upset. The fact of the matter is neither of us know enough about the situation to discuss it.

The point that's been made through this thread has been that Shanny hates headcases and apparently won't have any on the team. I don't believe this to be true. I cite examples of CP, and Cutler, who have both been headcases through portions of their career and both were drafted/played for Shannahan.

Except the huge risk of delaying finding a long term solution at QB while we give Young "just a little more time to get it together".

Just like we did with McNabb? I think we've seen that if Shannahan doesn't think a player is cutting it, he won't give them "more and more time to get it together."

There is a huge opportunity cost to signing VY, and there is a huge carrying cost having him take reps away from our future.

Unless you think a 3rd or 4th QB, is going to be the future of this team VY wouldn't be taking reps away from anyone. Grossman 1, Beck 2, Young 3, some other random QB 4.

Also what if he is our future?

---------- Post added January-6th-2011 at 03:26 PM ----------

Ahh, the sweet siren song of the Extremeskinser.

There's no such thing as NO RISK when dealing with a guy like that. There's a huge risk. He told his coach to go **** himself. He's nuts. He's a malcontent. If he'll tell Fisher to go **** himself, he could certainly do the same to someone like Shanny.

Every second a guy like that is around the Skins, he's hurting the team. Just because you can cut him doesn't make it NO RISK.

You're really overestimating the impact a UFA QB can have on the environment of a team, and yes because you can cut him he is no risk.

NO RISK was what everyone was saying about Randy Moss...yeah right. Glad we didn't take the non-risk on that guy.

What would a deep threat old receiver offer to this rebuilding team exactly? We had no need for a receiver like Randy Moss, we need guys that can go over the middle, we already have Armstrong and Moss on deep balls.

[The Tris]

In addition you should not talk about something you know very little about. If VY walked in on his highschool sweeatheart with his childhood best friend, I can understand why he might have been extremely upset. If he was actually suffering from clinical depression a chemical imbalance in his brain that is out of his control, then again I can understand why I was upset. The fact of the matter is neither of us know enough about the situation to discuss it.

I live with a Titans fan. His father is a Nashville doctor who treats athletes. Both have seen copies of the police reports from his episode. He has nothing to gain from telling me about it, nor do I in relaying the information.

I'm not going to go any further into what exactly is VY's problem, as it will most likely spark a discussion better suited for the tailgate. Needless to say, he has some issues. It is not worth bringing his problems into DC for yet another media sideshow. We need to stop taking on players with issues of any kind.

[Mahons21]

I live with a Titans fan. His father is a Nashville doctor who treats athletes.

What type of Dr? mental or physical? A physical Dr would not be very qualified in this instance. I also can't imagine anyone but VY's actual Dr. would be privy to such information, and his Dr would be breaking the Dr Patient confidentiality agreement. So if his father is VY's Dr. he may have nothing to gain by passing along sensitive information, but he has everything to lose.

Both have seen copies of the police reports from his episode. He has nothing to gain from telling me about it, nor do I in relaying the information.

I'm sorry but this is getting hard to believe.

[icbmayday]

If we could trade Al for Vince I def would do it

[seriously]

Why would you trade for a player they're going to release?

They will get something for him- sure I would rather have him for free because there is obvious doubt.

---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 01:01 PM ----------

get under. Now!

hilarious!

---------- Post added January-7th-2011 at 01:04 PM ----------

Not a bad idea, trading 1 disaster for another. What do we have to lose in trading Fat Al lol. If the skins can get Young and 4th round for Fat Al then I say why not.

Anything for Al is a plus. People can clown Young all they want, but the guy has a lot of potential and for all we know Tennessee just wasn't the right place for him. What's the worse that happens?? He gets cut? At least the 4th rounder (with cheese) would be more in the right direction than keeping Albert.

[SkinsFatboy]

I was in the Charlotte airport yesterday and the guy in front of me in line at Jamba Juice had a Titans player card on his backpack so I decided to talk to him. I only had a few minutes while we waited for our smoothies but I asked him about Vince Young and what he thought about possibly getting Haynesworth or Mcnabb from the Skins. He ignored my question about Haynesworth and said he found out about VY on sports center but wasnt surprised. He laughed when I mentioned Mcnabb and said they didnt want Mcnabb because he is a little too old but that he had a lot of respect for him. He did say he thinks they are interested in drafting Cam. Take it for what it is worth.

[seriously]

I was in the Charlotte airport yesterday and the guy in front of me in line at Jamba Juice had a Titans player card on his backpack so I decided to talk to him. I only had a few minutes while we waited for our smoothies but I asked him about Vince Young and what he thought about possibly getting Haynesworth or Mcnabb from the Skins. He ignored my question about Haynesworth and said he found out about VY on sports center but wasnt surprised. He laughed when I mentioned Mcnabb and said they didnt want Mcnabb because he is a little too old but that he had a lot of respect for him. He did say he thinks they are interested in drafting Cam. Take it for what it is worth.

Well I suppose that eliminates any trade with Tenn... *end sarcasm*

[SkinsFatboy]

I dont remember suggesting that a trade wouldnt happen just passing on what happened but I am glad I shared, no seriously I am. *end sarcasm*

[HigSkin]

This should confirm that Fisher is on a short leash and needs to win now....I would think Vets are the way to go and wouldn't be surprised to see AH and/or McNabb get interest from TN.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...57/2196/SPORTS

As for Fisher, he will serve out the final year of his contract at a salary of about $6.5 million, but the storm clouds that gathered over his head this season are unlikely to clear anytime soon.

The Titans finished 6-10 after a 5-2 start. They've had six-game losing streaks in back-to-back seasons, and have lost at least five games in a row in five of the past seven seasons. The Titans haven't won a playoff game since 2003.

Few coaches would have survived such bombardments to their resumes. Adams said he never strongly considered firing Fisher, however, in part because the Titans would have been on the hook for his salary.

"With what I am paying him, I am not going to let him go and pay him a lot of money,'' Adams said. "I was thinking we could get him and Vince together, but it wasn't going to work so I had to stick with Jeff and let Vince go.''

Adams also said he never considered giving Fisher an extension, which means the coach heads into the final year of a contract for at least the third time in 17 seasons.

As for changes to the rest of the coaching staff, Adams said that's up to Fisher.

And although the owner didn't proclaim playoffs-or-pink-slips, he sounded as if Fisher needed to make it back to the postseason if he wants to be back with the Titans in 2012.

"If we don't start winning games you wonder about the coaching. You look around the league right now and a lot of teams are letting coaches go. I don't have to tell Jeff anything. He has been at this thing long enough to know what has to be done,'' Adams said.

Click on the link to read the entire article

[ArmchairRedskin]

Bud Adams is nothing if not honest.

Looks like Fisher better produce something. You want McNabb Fisher? Make us a nice offer.

[ConnSKINS26]

Definitely some pressure being applied to Fisher....would love if that culminated in him "panicking" and trading for McNabb and AH.

[TK]

You realise that without a CBA you're not trading for anyone, right. Especially a guy every team knows will be cut.