"In 2012 the Redskins are gonna be the NFC East champions, and that starts right ****ing today.” --- Kyle Shanahan, 1/1/12.
My opinion wouldn't change on anything if I knew what a player was making. Knowing that this is a choice these men make to play this game, knowing that these men went to college and hopefully for their own sakes to get an education, knowing how the real world works where everyone has options if they want more coverage, knowing that employers don't pay benifits to employees who refuse to work, none of these things can be ignored simply because you think that this isn't "Fair" or "Right" or that the owners don't deserve it. If it weren't for the owners there wouldn't be an NFL to watch. Sorry my opinion wouldn't change at all
Ex post facto laws and collusion: banned in the US, but legal in the Democratic People’s Republic of Goodell.
"When you don't have the talent, you have to win with the pen and the pencil, and they are not doing it." -- SmootAnd since the bye, it seems like they are doing better with the pencil...
I think all that's being argued here between owners and players is how the pie is split up. I think how much the owners are worth is irrelevant. It's their money. As Mr. Tony says, Labor identifies with labor and management with management. Most of these owners bought in when the success of the NFL was still in doubt. The NFL hasn't alwas been this juggernaut, so don't they get to reap the rewards of their foresight?
If the two sides can just agree before March 4th, this becomes completely a non-issue.
There appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I just hope it's not a train.
thats what usually happens when any worker goes on strike. this was to be expected when dealing with union negotiations. this is a retaliation towards the union by the owners
"Endeavor to persevere."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." Lennon
"If you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer " Stevie Wonder
I agree with most others, this isn't a surprise. If the owners aren't paying them salaries, why would they be providing any other monetary benefit. It's kind of the definition of a lockout and the NFLPA's leader should have seen it coming and let his players know to expect it. Now, it looks like they were left in the dark and suddenly are going to be in a panic.
I'm glad the news came out now that the owners are going to do it, it means that players and owners might be able to sit down together and figure something out before this starts affecting the next football season.
I guess if you can't seem to get your head wrapped around the idea that 31 other team owners aren't the jerkoff owner that we have and actually are running a business that's been destroyed by lawyers, sports agents, and greedy players and you just think the NFL is some "right" for a player to have or believe the idea that an uneducated person making 30k a year can have financial responsibility but a educated millionaire is incapable of demonstrating personal responsibility then of course I'd understand comments like yours
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You really believe that the issue is the owners just being dicks to the players and not letting them work? Come on man tell me your not serious
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What's the league minimum, $325k? I can't muster up a ton of sympathy for guys making hundreds of thousands of dollars who are in a labor dispute. COBRA for a couple months and get over it. How much will it REALLY cost, a few hundred, maybe a few thousand dollars?
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BTW, lockout is something that both sides agreed to in the last negotiation, not just some fairy tale made up **** about the old greedy owners wanting to keep the innocent players from working...that's a bunch of bullspit. This was an agreement made by the players and owners. The common thread here with most of the people rushing to the side of the players is that you guys don't hold the players accountable for their own actions and just think the only side who needs to be responsible is the owners. Wrong answer, try again. Both sides are wrong, the problem is if the players want to play like we all want them too then they will come to the table and agree to the ownership demands. If not they are out of work and I'll blame the players for that, not the ownership. All the owners are trying to do is protect there own investments.
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I'm sure that most of the people here who are anti-player and OK with them losing their benefits would sing a different tune if it was THEIR company that decided that they were going to lock them out come March and health benefits would be discontinued. And if they expressed any concern over their OWN families health coverage, I'm sure they would appreciate others coming on and saying "you make enough, just deal with it".
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