I will have to agree with you that I have to make assumptions about my circumstantial evidence. I am going to assume that AP knows what slavery is. I am going to have to assume he knows the owners are all white. I have to assume he knows he is black. I have to assume he knows that in the past white slave owners owned black slaves. I have to assume that he is in tune with general media outlets and might be familiar with the Lebron thing for example. I might have to make an assumption that he in fact already heard and knows the analogy between white sports owners and their black athletes. I have to assume he knows about racial struggle and guys like jesse jackson and Al sharpton.
I have to assume he knows about Don Imus and Michael Richards and maybe even the story of Jimmy the Greek, Jalen Rose and his uncle tom comments, the historical evidence of discreet racism against black quarterbacks. I have to assume that maybe he saw the movie "Any Given Sunday" where the same analogy is made. I have to assume that he is a 25 year old man with a television in the United States of America. You have to assume that none of the above is true. Because if it is - he's a racist and he made a racist comment. But I suppose you could qualify that as an "irrelevant point". We don't live in a freakin vaccuum. Its adorable that to defend AP you are willing to pretend he doesn't know ANY of the things I just referenced but quite frankly, I think I am probably closer to reality than you on that.
Last edited by Brotherz; March-23rd-2011 at 02:21 PM.
What are some examples of slavery in the US....
Where the players aren't paid, are subjected to horrible working conditions, abused by their owners, bought and sold without consulting them, have no ability to leave their forced work, can be shot on sight, have no rights....
Oh wait, nevermind.
I don't think AD is that stupid as to really think of the NFL as literally being modern day slavery but its such a stupid and inappropriate comment to make.
Last edited by DarrellsMyHero28; March-23rd-2011 at 03:40 PM.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate for what he is not, and a sense of humor to console him for what he is." - Sir Bacon
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.-Jimi Hendrix
Hmm, does All Day have to pay a grandfather tax, get stuck in a "credit trap" and have to sharecrop for a long while in the burning heat with no air conditioning.
Is All Day unable to go to court, at risk for being lynched willy-nilly if he falls out of line, unable to own property of any sort.
BTW, does the NFL have a "slave code".
You seem like a lawyer and I happen to know a little something about that after many years myself. But with all do respect if you are a lawyer, you sound like a tax attorney arguing a murder trial. You are not arguing or debating the relevant facts, you are making them up as you go based off what you have observed in your life (affirmative action, reverse racism, bigotry) This debate should not be about what you think, it should be about what you know. And we know that Adrian Peterson for the first time on camera made a controversial comment about a billion dollar company the NFL. (BTW you never answered my question about what if AP would've said Walmart or AIG is like modern day slavery, would you be as mad?)
I will say that I have enjoyed this little debate even though we are both saying the same thing that AP's comment was wrong. You think it was wrong because he is a moron and I think it was simply metaphorically wrong. I'll leave you with this article to read. You dont have to agree with it, but maybe you can get a better understanding of what myself and some others on this board are trying to say. BTW you do make excellent points, just not in this thread ..Hey its ok to be wrong sometimes brothaz!
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Last edited by Brotherz; March-24th-2011 at 12:43 PM.
So it's agreed. Peterson's comment was idiotic. Moving on....
"Adrian Peterson called the NFL players’ predicament “modern-day slavery.” Obviously, it was a poor metaphor, destined to be processed literally and to provoke manufactured outrage. His word choice was awful, but his point, better articulated, has some validity.
Here’s Peterson’s full quotation. His agent stresses it should be taken in context. The context doesn’t help him much.
AP: It’s modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that, but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money … the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it’s how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, ‘Hey — without us, there’s no football.’ There are so many different perspectives from different players, and obviously we’re not all on the same page — I don’t know. I don’t really see this going to where we’ll be without football for a long time; there’s too much money lost for the owners. Eventually, I feel that we’ll get something done.
Football players are not slaves. No one forces them to play. Most would accept coercion and some form of bondage to receive a $10 million base salary. Peterson, presumably, wasn’t comparing his pampered material condition to that of a slave. He was trying to say there isn’t a free market for his labor, which is true.
The NFL is a trust, not a capitalist enterprise. Owners ensure profitability by collaborating and by limiting labor costs. Adrian Peterson could not choose his place of employment. The Vikings drafted him. Unable to solicit competing offers, he had no leverage to negotiate his salary. His team may “franchise” him to block him from exercising free agency. Even if he does become unrestricted, his earning potential is constrained by a salary cap. Peterson can never obtain the true market value for his work.
Peterson’s work places him at grave risk for catastrophic health issues later in life. His contract is also not guaranteed.
Players accept this system, because many of them make an obscene amount of money. They sacrifice a claim to fair labor practices in exchange for a draught from the treasure bath. Observers let the NFL’s arrangement slide because we must watch football on Sunday.
NFL owners tried to force through a change to this bargain. They opted out of the CBA. They gamed the television revenue so they would get it even if there was no season (overturned by a court ruling). They tried to put players in the position to accept less money for a longer season or enter a lockout they were not positioned to withstand. Not surprisingly, players pushed back by decertifying the union and suing to challenge the NFL’s unfair labor practices.
Adrian Peterson’s word choice was awful. NFL players have nothing in common with slaves. They have little in common materially with ordinary laborers, but it’s only viewing it through that guise that we understand the players’ position. The money involved inspires little empathy, but their labor predicament should.
NFL players aren’t ordinary people, but if ordinary people were treated in the manner NFL owners treat the players it would be profoundly unjust."
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