Lockout Watch: 4/29: Stay of injunction granted, LOCKOUT REINSTATED

[Rdskns2000]

Chris Collinsworth thinks nothing is going to happen until September when players miss the first paycheck. The season will end up starting in November. The owners wants to make the players accept their deal; so I tend to agree with Chris. Nothing will happen until the players actually miss a paycheck.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Chris Collinsworth thinks nothing is going to happen until September when players miss the first paycheck. The season will end up starting in November. The owners wants to make the players accept their deal; so I tend to agree with Chris. Nothing will happen until the players actually miss a paycheck.

Wasn't that opinion prior to this new offer?

I would think that timeline is only valid if the players feel like they are conceding. If they think that a deal is fair, why miss any pay checks?

[Rdskns2000]

Wasn't that opinion prior to this new offer?

I would think that timeline is only valid if the players feel like they are conceding. If they think that a deal is fair, why miss any pay checks?

Your right. We'll just have to see what happens.

[skins0128]

These guys made it real easy for me to save $6,000.00 this year. Thanks NFL!!!

[jflow78]

According to ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6555558 , mediations are seriously going on now. The owners have submitted a new proposal at the request of the judge and they are, even at this time (or are about to end, 8-9pm is the extended time), working on the players answer but things are going well according to all reports and all parties.

Also, listen to the podcast by Sal Palantonio, it sounds like things are actually moving.

This is a VERY good sign.

[Rdskns2000]

According to ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6555558 , mediations are seriously going on now. The owners have submitted a new proposal at the request of the judge and they are, even at this time (or are about to end, 8-9pm is the extended time), working on the players answer but things are going well according to all reports and all parties.

Also, listen to the podcast by Sal Palantonio, it sounds like things are actually moving.

This is a VERY good sign.

I believe it when I see it. Tomorrow we will get report that things didn't progress. Talks broke off and then it's back to waiting to see what the courts will do.

[jflow78]

I agree, this mess needs to end already...Sheesh!..However, it appears that everything is pointing to June 3rd. That will be a big day in the courts.

I don't think it's going to wait until June 3rd now. The judges that made this decision basically stated in their ruling that the Owners are more than likely going to win the longer ruling as well as this one, so I think both sides might get this done now. Smith doesn't want to be hammered in court when that's supposed to be his bread and butter. He already had some big wins, but if the Owners win the June 3rd decision, then he's going to look like an *** clown.

[authentic]

I believe it when I see it. Tomorrow we will get report that things didn't progress. Talks broke off and then it's back to waiting to see what the courts will do.

I'll believe when the ticker says "BREAKING NEWS: NFL and PA has agreed in principal to new CBA; details forthcoming..."

[jflow78]

I believe it when I see it. Tomorrow we will get report that things didn't progress. Talks broke off and then it's back to waiting to see what the courts will do.

It's definitely possible, but at least there are REAL positive reports coming out. When the sides were discussing things previously they showed no signs of commitment, at all. Today neither side had left the negotiating table by 8pm, had asked for an extension to negotiate today (hence the late hours), and the only break they've had was a 30 min. lunch break. Players have come out saying positive things about the Owner's new proposal, so all of this is 100% better than any previous negotiations.

[Coolio47]

...then he's going to look like an *** clown.

Too late.

[Rdskns2000]

Until 24 out of 32 owners approve a new deal and majority of players approve a new deal; it doesn't mean anything. Even if the reach a deal tomorrow; it has to be voted on.

[Son of Gadsden]

Greedy billionaires...but i guess thats how they became billionaires.

Yeah, greedy billionaires....its not like they give up hundreds of millions of dollars for men to throw a ball around....so greedy.

From the same view, greedy millionaire players.

[Unforgiven]

Yeah, greedy billionaires....its not like they give up hundreds of millions of dollars for men to throw a ball around....so greedy.

From the same view, greedy millionaire players.

In fairness the players have a very small window in which to make their money, the owners can profit off the team until the day they die and pass it to their children. If you have a window of only a few years on average to try and make money to support your family for the rest of your life and are risking permanent disability in doing so, you should try for whatever you can. Obviously most players *can* work after football, but that's not an excuse for them to take less money because they're not only employees but the product of the NFL.

I'm not saying either side is right, in fact they're both equally wrong on different points, but I can sympathize more with the players.

[Son of Gadsden]

In fairness the players have a very small window in which to make their money, the owners can profit off the team until the day they die and pass it to their children. If you have a window of only a few years on average to try and make money to support your family for the rest of your life and are risking permanent disability in doing so, you should try for whatever you can. Obviously most players *can* work after football, but that's not an excuse for them to take less money because they're not only employees but the product of the NFL.

I'm not saying either side is right, in fact they're both equally wrong on different points, but I can sympathize more with the players.

See, i just completely disagree with this. I am a manager for a fairly large construction company. Our carpenters are our "product" also. Without the carpenters, we can't operate. We could get rid of them, but some of them have skills that might not be easy to find elsewhere. I disagree with the point. I don't see how NFL players are anything more than employees. They claim to be partners, but a partnership is not "We feel like we are partners". You are, or you arent. If you are a partner you can not be fired, yet players can be cut whenever the owners want to. If the players are partners they share in every expense and every profit. They don't.

I don't buy the window or injury thing either. I raced motocross since i was 4 years old. I suffered several major injuries, including one crippling one. I've been in and out of knee surgery constantly since i was 18. I can't stand up for longer than an hour without severe pain, and its likely ill be in a wheelchair in my 30's. I had to quit because of my injuries just after i got my pro license. I made no millions, i made no thousands. But you know what? I did it because i liked doing it, and i wanted to make money playing a game. I knew the risks, and the possible consequences, and now i reap them. If you don't want to be crippled, don't try and make millions by playing a game, get a real job like everyone else.

Sorry if i come off douchey sounding Unforgiven, I'm not trying to be a dick. These players just drive me nuts when they use their injuries as an excuse for money and sympathy. They make millions of dollars playing football, money that really isnt deserved. It could be used much better on teachers, police officers, and military...and would probably be much more gratefully earned....but thats not the way things are....yet all we hear is pissing and moaning. We live in a capitalist country. Business is based on profit, and the government does not interfere. The owners don't feel like they are making enough money anymore for their troubles...so they are taking more. Don't like it? You have the right to find a new job, that's capitalism. You have the right to call the owner's liars and ask to see the books. They have the right to give you the finger and remind you not to let the door hit you in the ass.

[SnyderShrugged]

The Lawyers on both sides have a vested interest in letting this drag out as long as possible. They dont give a hoot about football, but they will make a ton on their hourly fees.

I think D Smith screwed the pooch when he counter sued IMHO