DDP: Approx 8 sections of seating removed in upper deck endzone - more removed as of 2012 DDP, LL Endzone in 2013

[skinsfan03]

Don't know if this has already been posted (didn't see it) but Steinberg posted photos from the K. Chesney concert:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...s0IH_blog.html

It will be nice if Steinberg's digging and speculation force the Skins to explain what is going on to the fans (and persons whose seats were in those sections). Getting more curious...it does not look like a party deck area to me.

[Popeman38]

Don't know if this has already been posted (didn't see it) but Steinberg posted photos from the K. Chesney concert:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...s0IH_blog.html

My comment under the Bog:

My calculations for the total seats removed in 1 endzone is between 5000 and 5300. Assuming the other endzone mirrors the pic, you are looking at 10k+ seats removed. Which would put FedEx at a more reasonable number of seats. 72k is the optimum number of seats to create demand for tickets in a metro are like DC.

Dallas and NY will experience exactly what FedEx is experiencing after the new stadium buzz wears off. Too many seats creates too much supply. ANYONE will be able to buy tix to Dallas and NY in 5 years just as you can to FedEx. By reducing "seating" capacity to ~82k, Dan is taking a step in the right direction. My preference would be to add party decks as a temporary fix, followed by removing the concrete used for these seats creating a u shaped view of the skyline for UL STH.

[SonnyandSam]

http://twitpic.com/57td0h/full Here is the best closeup view of the sections missing seats and the new/old fencing

I'd insert the actual image but it is so large that it would cause isses with the message board, I think.

I'm with Ctennant....why move the FedEx fencing down for the concert and then move it back up. That's a lot of useless work. They could have easily rented temporary fencing to keep people away from the construction zone. Lot less work and lot less expensive.

It does make me wonder if there are not other plans for that part of the stadium. It is just too many seats to remove for just a party deck; even the angle along the sides is odd. Why leave as few as two seats in a section at the top? There must be something more than what was done in the Club Seat end zones

And contrary to another poster....I highly doubt they are installing more HD video screens so the upper deck can have their own.

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My preference would be to add party decks as a temporary fix, followed by removing the concrete used for these seats creating a u shaped view of the skyline for UL STH.

I think the safety engineers might be a little concerned about cutting out all that concrete that supports the upper deck so you can gaze out on the parking lot.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Pope...I'm with you. For years we've heard about people complaining about Snyder trying to squeeze too many seats in. Now, there are complaints when seats are removed. I would love to see them do more things like this and limit the number of people who can attend a game. They could do some very creative things with space like that. Why not have a more consolidated, expansive area to honor our past? It could be like Monument Park or whatever they call that area of Yankee stadium. If they just decide to get creative with the outline of the stadium and "cut" that section off and open it up to the elements...that's cool too.

If, at the end of all of this, we have 10K fewer seats, I think every fan should be happy with Snyder's commitment to doing something for the better of the team while taking a hit to both his pride and revenue.

[hail2skins]

Pope...I'm with you. For years we've heard about people complaining about Snyder trying to squeeze too many seats in. Now, there are complaints when seats are removed.

TD, I don't think there are many people complaining, but more or less observing that the myth of this huge waiting list for Redskins tickets has now pretty much been shattered. But it does seem like the team is taking a while to notify people who will be affected by this, when its been apparent to anyone who attended the DDP in late April that seats had been removed. One of the comments in Steinberg's latest entry indicated that a ticket office rep confirmed the plan for party decks, with seat placements happening before the end of this month.

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It does make me wonder if there are not other plans for that part of the stadium. It is just too many seats to remove for just a party deck; even the angle along the sides is odd. Why leave as few as two seats in a section at the top? There must be something more than what was done in the Club Seat end zones

S&S, that is interesting to me as well. Why not take out pretty much all of the sections of the ones that are going to be affected, save for the several rows of seats remaining at the bottom of each section?

[skinsfan03]

No complaints here - I'd love to see them remove the restricted view seating too. Those seats have created a ton of confusion over the years from sellers who fail to properly explain the restrictions to fans unfamiliar with FedEx. Plus, in recent seasons with some many unused tickets, those seats have probably drastically undercut the resale value of UL tickets. People know they can get the restricted view seats and pretty easily move down to other empty rows in the LL for the majority of games. When you are having problems filling up a stadium, it seems logical to remove the cheapest and worst seats first and then drop some of the UL tickets (perhaps SRO?) to those prices so people get more for their money.

I've also been wondering if the stadium will be opened up by cutting out the end zone sections. Not sure if it is structurally possible, but it would create a much more open atmosphere in the stadium. Something like that would could be a two year job with most of the work to be done in the winter.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I've also been wondering if the stadium will be opened up by cutting out the end zone sections. Not sure if it is structurally possible, but it would create a much more open atmosphere in the stadium. Something like that would could be a two year job with most of the work to be done in the winter.

I think something like that could be cool to give the stadium more character and less of a concrete oval feel.

[SonnyandSam]

Yeah, I don't think any of us are objecting to the removal of the seats but rather what that says about the ability the Skins have to sell tickets and the reality of any kind of ticket wait list.Smaller is probably better in the long run.

Even JKC had serious problems renting the suites and club seats during the construction phase and while the estate was running the team. For example, the loge seats were once suites. And the club level has never been sold out.

Some good news from all this is that the reduction in club and GA seats should make more green parking available for folks that have been waiting for green parking.

[carverkid]

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No complaints here - I'd love to see them remove the restricted view seating too. Those seats have created a ton of confusion over the years from sellers who fail to properly explain the restrictions to fans unfamiliar with FedEx. Plus, in recent seasons with some many unused tickets, those seats have probably drastically undercut the resale value of UL tickets. People know they can get the restricted view seats and pretty easily move down to other empty rows in the LL for the majority of games. When you are having problems filling up a stadium, it seems logical to remove the cheapest and worst seats first and then drop some of the UL tickets (perhaps SRO?) to those prices so people get more for their money.

I've also been wondering if the stadium will be opened up by cutting out the end zone sections. Not sure if it is structurally possible, but it would create a much more open atmosphere in the stadium. Something like that would could be a two year job with most of the work to be done in the winter.

absolutely agree 100%. no need for obstructed view at this point. surely there is a better use for that space. maybe replace the seats with concession vendors?

[DC9]

My preference would be to add party decks as a temporary fix, followed by removing the concrete used for these seats creating a u shaped view of the skyline for UL STH.

That's what I was going to get into here. I am assuming that since no "official" announcement has been made yet, that nobody knows whether or not they were going to get rid of the concret. I saw the pic of the fencing being changed, and before I even saw that, I thought it would look real classy if the Redskins did that to the stadium. You know, gave it some life, it's too symetrical right now. Here's a chance for Danny to make this his own stadium and give the fans something to be proud of.

Then, after they do that, he can put a quarter-roof around the upper deck to trap the noise and keep the UD STH's dry/or as dry as possible, when it rains. That would increase my fan experience immensly.


HAIL!

[Mr_Scotch]

Keep the OV seats ... I for one love being able to sit in the lower level for $59/ticket with only a slight obstruction (which is basically part of the far replay screen - not on the field action). I'm glad I got rid of my seats in 408 - looks like i'd be next to whatever contraption/upgrade/party deck they are putting in.

[B55Green]

My calculations for the total seats removed in 1 endzone is between 5000 and 5300. Assuming the other endzone mirrors the pic, you are looking at 10k+ seats removed. Which would put FedEx at a more reasonable number of seats. 72k is the optimum number of seats to create demand for tickets in a metro are like DC.

Someone on PSD posted.

You can assume the team was able to get remove about 12,528 seats roughly (about 24 seats per row x 29 rows = 696 x 18 sections = 12,528). Which would mean Fedex Fields total capacity would be around 79,126, but even then it’d be less because of the Club Level seats that were removed this past off season, as well as some of the seats that sat below of the jumbotron.

I don't know if the numbering is correct, but assuming there are how many he said, then I would assume it is. So basically Snyder is putting the stadium back to how it originally was suppose to be, minus some?

[DC9]

If, at the end of all of this, we have 10K fewer seats, I think every fan should be happy with Snyder's commitment to doing something for the better of the team while taking a hit to both his pride and revenue.

Don't forget that these standing room only seats can probably be had for a song compared to even the GA tickets in the UL. I can't imagine them going for more than $25. What better way to help get some Redskins fans down on their luck in this economy into the game with their kid(s)? Let's look at this from both sides fellas.

[Popeman38]

Someone on PSD posted.

You can assume the team was able to get remove about 12,528 seats roughly (about 24 seats per row x 29 rows = 696 x 18 sections = 12,528). Which would mean Fedex Fields total capacity would be around 79,126, but even then it’d be less because of the Club Level seats that were removed this past off season, as well as some of the seats that sat below of the jumbotron.

I don't know if the numbering is correct, but assuming there are how many he said, then I would assume it is. So basically Snyder is putting the stadium back to how it originally was suppose to be, minus some?

Their math is off. Not all 29 rows were removed. The first 6 to 8 rows (depending on section) of seating remained. Anywhere from 20 to 24 rows were removed. Quick and dirty math told me that ~580 seats were removed per complete (row 7 up) section. 9 complete sections per endzone. That gives you 5,220 seats removed per endzone. Assume an +/-400 margin of error (I assume I overestimated) and I get ballpark math of 10k seats removed.

[B55Green]

Yeah that's right. I think it'd still be less than original wouldn't it (as in when the stadium opened)? With the UL and CL seats removed? As well as the few in the LL that were in front of the screens.