AP: Armstrong won't challenge doping allegations; loses Tour titles (Lance to confess)

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Sucks for you, Lance.

Your cheating is the worst kept secret ever, particularly within endurance athlete circles and the Olympic athlete community.

He's such a jerk, I couldn't care less what the USADA does to him.

It really is mind blowing how many Olympic athletes use banned substances so openly (not Lance, but so many of the other Olympic athletes). It's pretty disheartening to hear about and even see.

Really?

Lance Armstrong, the guy that's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research is a jerk?

Whatever he did to you personally, he's more than made up for it.

[Special K]

Ok, so hearsay and guilt by association.

Teammate testimony is not hearsay...

Really?

Lance Armstrong, the guy that's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research is a jerk?

Whatever he did to you personally, he's more than made up for it.

Yeah, that Lance Armstrong. He's a jerk, personally. I support his organization though. Contrary to what many people think, support of something good can be separated from feelings about the guy's personality.

He didn't do anything to me.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Sorry I agree with Lance in this, this is tantamount to legalized blackmail.

what is your basis for this statement?

---------- Post added July-9th-2012 at 10:01 PM ----------

Really?

Lance Armstrong, the guy that's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research is a jerk?

Whatever he did to you personally, he's more than made up for it.

is this a joke? he DUMPED SHERYL CROW WHEN SHE HAD CANCER!

---------- Post added July-9th-2012 at 10:02 PM ----------

that has nothing to do with how much he has raised for cancer. You can do great acts and still be a jerk.

The pss some of you are giving Lance Armstrong is hilarious. Athletes who have less evidence have gotten more backlash than this.

[ixcuincle]

Sounds like he's guilty

What a shame

[AsburySkinsFan]

Teammate testimony is not hearsay...

Without evidence it is useless, especially considering he has NEVER failed a test, even while being more heavily scrutinized than any other cyclist. The judge will look at the prosecution and say, "there is reasonable doubt".

---------- Post added July-9th-2012 at 10:33 PM ----------

what is your basis for this statement?

Going after him now and telling him to surrender his winnings and titles or they'll prosecute....do what we say or we'll force you to spend all kinds of time and money defending yourself. It's the same thing that companies like Monsanto do to force people out of business, it doesn't matter if they can win, they just have to drag him through the mud and make him spend a ton of money on lawyers.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Going after him now and telling him to surrender his winnings and titles or they'll prosecute....do what we say or we'll force you to spend all kinds of time and money defending yourself. It's the same thing that companies like Monsanto do to force people out of business, it doesn't matter if they can win, they just have to drag him through the mud and make him spend a ton of money on lawyers.

you do realize that Lance Armstrong has done this to many people over the last 10 years. Shoot, he has now sued people/companies who use the word "strong"

this is what I dont understand about the people who are ardently defending Armstrong, he has done the exact same thing to people that they are crying about being done to him now.

He is one of the biggest bullies in sports.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

We have a saying where I come from....innocent until proven guilty, maybe you've heard of it.

That's a pretty feeble way to avoid answering the question man.

Hail.

[Special K]

Without evidence it is useless, especially considering he has NEVER failed a test, even while being more heavily scrutinized than any other cyclist. The judge will look at the prosecution and say, "there is reasonable doubt".

First, the judge doesn't determine if there is "reasonable doubt" in this lawsuit. The judge is determining whether Armstrong's rights were violated and an injunction be issued against USADA before the Saturday deadline where he has to either "contest the charges or accept the sanctions."

Secondly, the judge just dismissed Armstrong's lawsuit and had very harsh words for him and his legal team in the process. IMO, itlooks like the judge recognized Armstrong's lawsuit for what it was: his typical M.O. of stirring up bad publicity toward the accusatory party and trying to bully them.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/sport/...html?hpt=hp_t1

Furthermore, if you read the whole article, you'll find discover what evidence USADA is basing its accusations on: blood samples collected in 2009 and 2010 that showed evidence "consistent" with blood manipulation with EPO and/or blood transfusions.

[FrFan]

Without evidence it is useless, especially considering he has NEVER failed a test, even while being more heavily scrutinized than any other cyclist.

So did Marion Jones.
Cycling has been plagued by drugs for decades and even before Tom Simpson who lost his life on a tour de France stage in the sixties. People who thinks those guys are riding their bikes using only spring water are very naive. What makes the difference between them is what kind of drugs and doctors they can afford, not to mention they will always be a step ahead of the doping tests.
Now they are using AICAR. The results are frightening: the mice doped with AICAR were able to run 44% longer than their peers! .
"It's like if we let go on the food without taking in the calories," says Ronald Evans, professor of genetics who oversaw the study.
Runners and cyclists wants to optimize their power to weight ratio, AICAR works like a miracle here. UCI already confessed they don't have a test to detect it eventhough this drug has been known since the 50's.
AICAR is very expensive, it is believed to cost $600.000 or $4.55/gram. Now the price tends to declined dramatically due to the combine actions of Indian and Chinese laboratories and the Internet.

[AsburySkinsFan]

That's a pretty feeble way to avoid answering the question man.

Hail.

So it is feeble to suggest that the bedrock of our justice system is actually worth following? So be it.

---------- Post added July-10th-2012 at 07:09 AM ----------

So did Marion Jones.
Cycling has been plagued by drugs for decades and even before Tom Simpson who lost his life on a tour de France stage in the sixties. People who thinks those guys are riding their bikes using only spring water are very naive. What makes the difference between them is what kind of drugs and doctors they can afford, not to mention they will always be a step ahead of the doping tests.
Now they are using AICAR. The results are frightening: the mice doped with AICAR were able to run 44% longer than their peers! .
"It's like if we let go on the food without taking in the calories," says Ronald Evans, professor of genetics who oversaw the study.
Runners and cyclists wants to optimize their power to weight ratio, AICAR works like a miracle here. UCI already confessed they don't have a test to detect it eventhough this drug has been known since the 50's.
AICAR is very expensive, it is believed to cost $600.000 or $4.55/gram. Now the price tends to declined dramatically due to the combine actions of Indian and Chinese laboratories and the Internet.

Again, you're citing lack of evidence as proof of guilt, typically that's considered a weak case destined to lose.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

So it is feeble to suggest that the bedrock of our justice system is actually worth following? So be it.

I asked you what made you believe he was innocent in the face of all the current, for want of a better description, 'controversy' surrounding him from all angles. By replying with a flippant 'Innocent until proven guilty' line, and then continuing in that vein instead of saying what makes you think he's innocent in the face of all the allegations; suggest's you don't have much more to base that on than your lambasting anyone with the contrary view for.

Forgive me for seeing your answer as a feeble cop out.

Hail.

[MisterPinstripe]

I asked you what made you believe he was innocent in the face of all the current, for want of a better description, 'controversy' surrounding him from all angles. By replying with a flippant 'Innocent until proven guilty' line, and then continuing in that vein instead of saying what makes you think he's innocent in the face of all the allegations; suggest's you don't have much more to base that on than your lambasting anyone with the contrary view for.

Forgive me for seeing your answer as a feeble cop out.

Hail.

I dont see how it is a cop out to say that when the man was tested 400 times without a positive test. Innocent until proven guilty, which he hasnt yet.

*EDIT* And I dont like Lance Armstrong.

[pjfootballer]

This is the sad reality of our sports stars today. I realize some forms of drug use has been going on for decades, but it seems like a dark cloud over sports in general within the last 20 years. It's sad to think about the selfishness and greed that athletes have nowadays. To have to drug yourself up to win a bicycle race instead of using your own power and mind to acheive it. Sad, really sad.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I dont see how it is a cop out to say that when the man was tested 400 times without a positive test. Innocent until proven guilty, which he hasnt yet.

*EDIT* And I dont like Lance Armstrong.

I don't care for the dude one way or the other TBH. What may or may not happen to him is irrelevant to me. And I frankly don't have an opinion one way or the other. The more I hear and read, the more damning the case against appears to be. But then you look at some of the riders bringing the allegations, and the standpoint they may or may not be coming from; and it's a 'who knows' what's actually gone on here thang.

But with all that fellow athletes testimony, allied to the blood work the USADA is putting forward behind this, it'd be nice to hear more than the 'Innocent until proven guilty' line from someone who's pretty steadfast in his opinion of his innocence.

Hail.

[Forehead]

Innocent until proven guilty, even in the face of what appears to be an overwhelming amount of evidence. For what it's worth, I agree that from what I've heard, Lance Armstrong is a dick, but he has done a lot of good, and his ******* persona didn't stop me from buying a LiveStrong brand elliptical for the house.