View Poll Results: Has Snyder evolved into a respectable owner over the past 18 months?

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  • Without question. have you been watching events at Redskins Park over the last season?

    34 48.57%
  • Meh, It's all superficial. He's still really pulling the strings. Witness the McNabb trade.

    9 12.86%
  • A leopard NEVER changes it's spots.

    15 21.43%
  • I love lamp.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbs Hog Heaven View Post
    I was looking for a "here and now" kind of reaction, but upon reflection I'd add those two options if I had a freaking clue how to edit a poll. Darn it.

    Hail.
    As a fan of the team I want desperately to believe that he finally gets it. But having a brain I don't think you can see what has transpired in the past and not effect how you feel this will turn out. I'm not changing teams so I'll have to make out the best I can which sometimes means deluding myself. But put a good product on the field consistently and all will be forgiven.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    None of the above.

    A. Danny is still a crappy owner.
    B. Even though he apparently isn't pulling strings in football like he used to. (Wait and see if Danny can stand it more than a year like w/Schottenhiemer.)
    C. Untrue. People can change.
    D. What?

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by elkabong82 View Post
    how can he be considered cunning when his past method of building a winner was not cunning at all but obvious and shortsighted
    So hiring a win now coach and a yes man GM is not shortsighted?
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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Every time a few stories/statements come out that kinda show that Snyder isn't that bad, I've heard stories not long afterwards showing the opposite. I won't believe it until I see it for a few years.
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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by elkabong82 View Post
    how can he be considered cunning when his past method of building a winner was not cunning at all but obvious and ultimately short-sighted?
    I was playing around with the "cunning" line in terms of him being the same as his previous persona, but fooling everyone on the outside into thinking he's changed.

    Hail.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    First time in his tenure that he has hired a GM...first time in his career that he has gone more than 12 months without Vinny at his side...first time in his tenure that Snyder has done everything his detractors said he should have been doing all along.

    So, yeah, I'll go ahead and buy that he has changed and is a "new" owner..."cynicism" does not equal "truth".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tris View Post
    So hiring a win now coach and a yes man GM is not shortsighted?
    Jim Zorn and Cerrato are gone.

    This draft shows Shanny isn't just about "win now," and other than your conjecture, what solid evidence do you have that Allen is a yes man? I guess when you're obsessed with hating on one man to the point you'll never concede any of his positives but will over-exaggerate and fabricate the negatives then you'd come up with such a post as yours.

    A purely win now coach would have drafted Gabbert instead of being patient at the QB position, a yes man GM would be allowing Snyder to have his say and would be going nuts in FA, instead of handing out reasonable contracts like Allen has been doing and not overbidding for players (like with Atogwe we made an offer, let him see what else was out there, and patiently waited to see if he would choose use, in years past Atogwe would have gotten a ridiculous contract while being wined and dined in DC).
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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    I went with option 1, but only because I have this underlying fear like many of us do, that he can and will slip back into his old ways if patience is required....it's really a toss up with "I love lamp."

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    The correct answer to the poll is "I love lamp"

    With that out of the way, I believe that he has realized that he doesn't know enough about football to interfere with the football operations of the franchise. The reasons that I dislike him have little to do with that however, and more to do with his off field behavior. I dont think I will ever like him, but he is starting to earn a little respect. Once the wins start to be amassed on the field then he will get more respect. It is as simple as that.
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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Danny is a star ****er. No other way to say it. Danny still went "big" in bringing in Shanahan and to a lesser extent Allen, whose name is royalty in this area thanks to his dad.

    I'll believe Danny has changed as an owner when we have a no name GM and a no name coach and Danny stays out of the football ops. So far that trifecta has never once happened.

    I also believe he will never change when it comes to being an arrogant corporate daddy's boy with a little man's complex who is a grade A prick.
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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylookin View Post
    I'll believe Danny has changed as an owner when we have a no name GM and a no name coach and Danny stays out of the football ops. So far that trifecta has never once happened.
    Interesting POV scruff.

    So for you, regardless of how dedicated, hard working and honest to the cause they may or may not be; the only way to build it right, so to speak, would to be hire a no-name GM and HC?

    I'd be curious to hear your reasoning behind that view point, if I'm not reading way more into it then you wrote,

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tris View Post
    So hiring a win now coach and a yes man GM is not shortsighted?
    Hold on now! If Dan's goal was a quick return to mediocrity (7-9 to 9-7) those hirings were brilliant.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfan View Post
    Hold on now! If Dan's goal was a quick return to mediocrity (7-9 to 9-7) those hirings were brilliant.
    *Chuckles. That was good for this time in the AM.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbs Hog Heaven View Post
    Interesting POV scruff.

    So for you, regardless of how dedicated, hard working and honest to the cause they may or may not be; the only way to build it right, so to speak, would to be hire a no-name GM and HC?
    GHH, obviously consistent winning is the goal, and as fans we'll be happy to take it no matter what the structure is. I think what Scruff is referring to is the statement made by Snyder several times in the past year, including last week to some local media members, that he "doesn't have to be involved" as long as he "has a strong head coach who is fully in charge of football operations," and names Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan. A statement like this makes one wonder if we'll have the choice of either a) a big name/retread or b) a meddling owner, as long as Snyder owns the team.

    Its something hopefully we won't have to worry about for a while. I'd like Mike to coach for between 7-10 years here and if Kyle is still on the staff and has done a good job as the O-coord, then I'd have no problem with him succeeding his father. However, if not, it'll be interesting to see what happens the next time Dan has to fill the vacancy.

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    Default Re: Daniel M. Snyder: Is he really a "new" owner, or just a more cunning version of the old one.

    The 'Skins could win 5 consecutive SB's and people will still hate and distrust Snyder.

    He has obviously backed off.

    Can we stop talking about him now?
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