2012 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[The Tris]

The Colts struggled because they are weak across the board. WRs 2-5 are below average when not catching Manning balls. Their OL is a train wreck. Their DT are non-existant. Their LB corp is terrible. And they don't have a SS or a 2nd CB. They have good (aging) DEs, good TEs, and a handful of other above average starters (Powers, Bethea, Wayne). Not sure why you won't objectively look at this.

FWIW, Jerry Hughes was a healthy scratch.

[shuler74]

I dont think we should draft a wr in the early rounds , I think we have good depth there, we still need to build the defense an upgrade our ilb , Luke is a great tackler but is a little light imo I rather have manti

[Champskins]

I'd rather have Hightower from Alabama... and of course Berfict. Hightowers physically imposing, has great speed, and a nose for the football

[Dukes and Skins]

id agree that they are 1a and 1b. Blackmon has the finesse and can stretch the play after the catch and also catches the deep ball 9 times out of ten. Alshon has the work ethic and sure hands to make him a consistent 100 yard receiving guy and probably average at least 1 td a game... I like the Blackmon/Bryant comparison. And ill say that Alshon reminds me of Sidney Rice

I find the bolded part a little intriguing since there are knocks on Alshon and his conditioning although I do see Blackmon and Bryant being similar and Alshon could be a stud in the NFL its all dependent on his work ethic and conditioning

[Champskins]

I find the bolded part a little intriguing since there are knocks on Alshon and his conditioning although I do see Blackmon and Bryant being similar and Alshon could be a stud in the NFL its all dependent on his work ethic and conditioning

"By all accounts, Jeffery has as good of work ethic as one could imagine. He apparently stays after practice each day to work on his receiving routes and his speed."
mockingthedraft.com

"5. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina

An imposing presence at wideout, Jeffery has been unstoppable. Phenomenal hands, surprising burst for a long-strider, great work ethic. Tough matchup for corners at any level. "

Mel Kiper's big board

He said strength coach Craig Fitzgerald has given him a program he has been committed to, and he can see the difference on the field. “I’m faster and stronger,” Jeffery said. “It pays off for everybody. We are out here running and lifting weights all summer.”


"Alshon Jeffery Wide receiver Alshon Jeffery #1 of the South Carolina Gamecocks shows that he made a catch during the game against the Georgia Bulldogs at Williams-Brice Stadium on September 11, 2010 in Columbia, South Carolina. The Gamecocks beat the Bulldogs 17-6.

“He surprised me in the weight room with how much he is benching and how much he squatted,” receiver Jason Barnes said. “You can tell it’s all coming together for him. I can’t wait to see what he does on the field.”

muscleprodigy.com

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not doubting you D & S... I've just read multiple reports that this guy is the prototype WR and has exceptional work ethic

[Dukes and Skins]

Not trying to start anything but there is some concern as well with Jeffery after that picture surfaced with him looking out of shape. I personally think he's going to be a very good WR just saying that in general there has been concern from others

[Champskins]

Not trying to start anything but there is some concern as well with Jeffery after that picture surfaced with him looking out of shape. I personally think he's going to be a very good WR just saying that in general there has been concern from others

I completely understand... and it's too hard for us to monitor his offseason program... im anxious to see how he plays out.

[gamecokskins703]

Alshon at 6,4 235 is almost like a tight end. He's got amazing hands and he is the worst nightmare for any corner. He's almost like a modern day T.O. except i think he will be better.

Speaking of gamecocks, i know Lattimore is not going to be in the 2012 draft. but the dude is a beast. hes 5-11,230 and he runs like a horse. I havent seen that much raw power mixed with speed in forever. I think when he gets to the NFL level hes gonna turn some heads.

[ConnSKINS26]

I dont think we should draft a wr in the early rounds , I think we have good depth there, we still need to build the defense an upgrade our ilb , Luke is a great tackler but is a little light imo I rather have manti

If we don't take a QB in the 1st, and are in a position to grab him, I think our team is finally getting to the point where we can take the luxury pick in Blackmon.

EVERY one of our early picks since Bruce Allen and Shanahan have come here have been picks improving our foundation. Structural picks improving starters and depth on the offensive line and front 7 on defense. LT, ILB, OLB, DE. Trent Williams, Perry Riley, Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins. Those have been our 1st, 4th, 1st, and 2nd round picks since Shanahan has been there. All of our earliest picks. All spent to improve the foundation of our team.

If we don't go QB, and with Moss aging, Gaffney a year older, and a bunch of young guys behind them, we could, for once, afford to take a flashy difference-maker in the 1st.

[Dukes and Skins]

Alshon at 6,4 235 is almost like a tight end. He's got amazing hands and he is the worst nightmare for any corner. He's almost like a modern day T.O. except i think he will be better.

Speaking of gamecocks, i know Lattimore is not going to be in the 2012 draft. but the dude is a beast. hes 5-11,230 and he runs like a horse. I havent seen that much raw power mixed with speed in forever. I think when he gets to the NFL level hes gonna turn some heads.

Alshon is an unreal talent watching him and Blackmon this year is a treat for all college football fans and scouts

[stevemcqueen1]

FWIW I think Blackmon is amazing and I like him better than Crabtree as a similar type of receiver coming from a similar scheme and program. But I don't think I'd draft him in the first round unless he was available to me in the 20s. At that point, the talent advantage he'd have over the rest of the players available would be too overwhelming to ignore.

The reason being that WR is very low down our list of needs. I like our current group a lot. I think Moss is terrific and Armstrong has some pretty rare talent. I think Austin should see the field as much as possible the way he runs and blocks and Gaffney is pretty decent too. Plus we've got Niles Paul and Leonard Hankerson to develop too. Blackmon would be a clear upgrade over any one of those receivers in virtually all facets of the position. But the effect felt on our offense would be minimal compared to the effect upgrading other parts of our team with a first round talent might be like.

For me the worst part of our offense is definitely the interior offensive line and maybe even right tackle. Rex played well even though he was a bit inaccurate for a lot of the day, but I think he'll actually settle in pretty nicely. He's good enough to win with.

But the interior of the offensive line has got to be upgraded. Christ Chester just isn't very good and was the weak link yesterday. Lichtensteiger was a bit below average. JB had a mixed day and Trent is still pretty much feast or famine at this point. I actually didn't remark Montgomery a whole lot which is a good thing I suppose. Mainly, the guards weren't good in either the running and passing game.

Jammal Brown isn't very good either. Even when Trent is struggling I think he looks better than Jammal because he still gives you + plays in the running game. We're so much better running left than running right.

On defense I think NT could still be an issue. Barry Cofield didn't look all that great against the run which surprised me. Maybe he's still adjusting, but I thought Chris Neild outplayed him by a wide margin.

Kerrigan had some rookie mistakes but in general looked pretty comfortable. Orakpo looks better in the running game and in coverage but the pass rushing wasn't all that remarkable. He's getting held a lot, as always, and he draws a lot of attention. But some of his key reading was off and it made him less effective. London looked great all game. Rocky struggled a bit in the first half and this is definitely a spot we can upgrade.

I'd love to get a stud DE like Jordan or Wilkerson to get more of an impact presence than we saw from Carriker and Bowen but this isn't a huge need since both players are very competent and hold their own. It'd be nice to have a difference maker there, but it's not essential for us to field an elite defense.

But getting another difference making ILB to replace McIntosh should be a priority IMO. It could take this defense to another level, particularly if you get someone like Upshaw that can blitz. I've been tough on Burfict in the past but he'd be a huge playmaker in our scheme and offers a nice fit.

The corners are alright and didn't have a ton of trouble dealing with a pretty talented group of Giants receivers. We need LaRon to come back healthy pretty badly. Our ILBs and Safeties basically have to be our best and most versatile players given how demanding this scheme is for them and those are two of our weaker spots when Landry goes down. This is where I'd fortify the roster if given the chance.

So in short, I'd rank the places where we'd get the most long term benefit from a first round pick like this:

1.) ILB
2.) RT
3.) DE
4.) NT
5.) OG
6.) S

That's removing QB from consideration of course.

I'd like to see us come away with an ILB and multi-tool dominant defensive lineman with our first and second round picks this year. Then I'd like to see us get some fricking good interior offensive linemen with our picks in the middle rounds. The offensive line will hold us back from reaching our potential until we finally infuse it with some talent.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Alshon at 6,4 235 is almost like a tight end. He's got amazing hands and he is the worst nightmare for any corner. He's almost like a modern day T.O. except i think he will be better.

Speaking of gamecocks, i know Lattimore is not going to be in the 2012 draft. but the dude is a beast. hes 5-11,230 and he runs like a horse. I havent seen that much raw power mixed with speed in forever. I think when he gets to the NFL level hes gonna turn some heads.

He has solid speed but not great speed. He got ran down during the Georgia game and, as one announcer said, "If there's any chink in his armor, its his speed."

I do think he'd be a great fit in our ZBS, though I know absolutely nothing to make that opinion. Just seems like he's a one-cut-and-go kinda guy and apparently that's what we like.


Congrats on the win Gamecock fan. It was a wild one.

[stevemcqueen1]

If we don't take a QB in the 1st, and are in a position to grab him, I think our team is finally getting to the point where we can take the luxury pick in Blackmon.

EVERY one of our early picks since Bruce Allen and Shanahan have come here have been picks improving our foundation. Structural picks improving starters and depth on the offensive line and front 7 on defense. LT, ILB, OLB, DE. Trent Williams, Perry Riley, Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins. Those have been our 1st, 4th, 1st, and 2nd round picks since Shanahan has been there. All of our earliest picks. All spent to improve the foundation of our team.

If we don't go QB, and with Moss aging, Gaffney a year older, and a bunch of young guys behind them, we could, for once, afford to take a flashy difference-maker in the 1st.

WR is a foundational pick too when you consider how much they mean to the offense and their scheme busting potential. Watching big guys like Bryant and Nicks play is impressive because you see that they don't have to get open to make plays and they don't have a lot of trouble getting open anyway. We don't really have a receiver that can do that. Moss is a good route runner and gets open fairly regularly but he's a non factor when he doesn't. Plus it'd be nice to have a receiver that can line up outside every single play and give you a lot of effort run blocking the edge so you don't have to run so many personnel groups. A do it all swiss army knife receiver would be a nice long term pick for any team...

Except that we don't really need one. Our group features at least one receiver with a strength for any situation the scheme demands so you can hit upon the right combo by careful sub package management. Basically we can fully run the offense with the guys we have. I don't know that you can say that about 3 out of 5 of the starers on the offensive line. On defense we need inside linebackers and maybe some linemen before our positions are competently manned.

Not only that, we really don't know what we've got with Hankerson. Maybe he is that type of physical, versatile starting WR and he just needs time to develop. If you pick someone like Blackmon than that's all she wrote for Hankerson.

Finally, I don't think Perry Riley adequately addresses our need at ILB and it wasn't really an early pick. It's disappointing to me that he didn't run with the starting job in camp and that we were forced to bring back McIntosh at the 11th hour. I'm not sure he'll be anything but a special teamer and backup.

[stevemcqueen1]

Tom Brady is the best quarterback I've ever watched. He's amazing.

---------- Post added September-12th-2011 at 07:44 PM ----------

Good stuff on MNF tonight. I'm very interested in watching Mike Pouncey and Jake Long play on the Dolphins side of things. But it's hard not to notice how sharp Reggie Bush and Chad Henne look too.

I'm also curious to watch Nate Solder perform on the Patriots offense. Law Firm is on my fantasy team too so I'm watching him. And it's hard not to watch Tom Brady as good as he is.

All in all, it's a pretty good display of young OL talent for both teams.

So far Jake Long has been decent, but not really what I expected to see. He got beat on back to back plays by Andre Carter and Albert Haynesworth near the goal line, giving up a sack to Carter and a stuff to Big Al.

---------- Post added September-12th-2011 at 08:10 PM ----------

WTF, Solder looks awesome. Then again, should it surprise me that a guy with marginal play in college finds his niche and flourishes with the Patriots?

Where is Sebastian Vollmer?

[Dro89]

FWIW I think Blackmon is amazing and I like him better than Crabtree as a similar type of receiver coming from a similar scheme and program. But I don't think I'd draft him in the first round unless he was available to me in the 20s. At that point, the talent advantage he'd have over the rest of the players available would be too overwhelming to ignore.

The reason being that WR is very low down our list of needs. I like our current group a lot. I think Moss is terrific and Armstrong has some pretty rare talent. I think Austin should see the field as much as possible the way he runs and blocks and Gaffney is pretty decent too. Plus we've got Niles Paul and Leonard Hankerson to develop too. Blackmon would be a clear upgrade over any one of those receivers in virtually all facets of the position. But the effect felt on our offense would be minimal compared to the effect upgrading other parts of our team with a first round talent might be like.

For me the worst part of our offense is definitely the interior offensive line and maybe even right tackle. Rex played well even though he was a bit inaccurate for a lot of the day, but I think he'll actually settle in pretty nicely. He's good enough to win with.

But the interior of the offensive line has got to be upgraded. Christ Chester just isn't very good and was the weak link yesterday. Lichtensteiger was a bit below average. JB had a mixed day and Trent is still pretty much feast or famine at this point. I actually didn't remark Montgomery a whole lot which is a good thing I suppose. Mainly, the guards weren't good in either the running and passing game.

Jammal Brown isn't very good either. Even when Trent is struggling I think he looks better than Jammal because he still gives you + plays in the running game. We're so much better running left than running right.

On defense I think NT could still be an issue. Barry Cofield didn't look all that great against the run which surprised me. Maybe he's still adjusting, but I thought Chris Neild outplayed him by a wide margin.

Kerrigan had some rookie mistakes but in general looked pretty comfortable. Orakpo looks better in the running game and in coverage but the pass rushing wasn't all that remarkable. He's getting held a lot, as always, and he draws a lot of attention. But some of his key reading was off and it made him less effective. London looked great all game. Rocky struggled a bit in the first half and this is definitely a spot we can upgrade.

I'd love to get a stud DE like Jordan or Wilkerson to get more of an impact presence than we saw from Carriker and Bowen but this isn't a huge need since both players are very competent and hold their own. It'd be nice to have a difference maker there, but it's not essential for us to field an elite defense.

But getting another difference making ILB to replace McIntosh should be a priority IMO. It could take this defense to another level, particularly if you get someone like Upshaw that can blitz. I've been tough on Burfict in the past but he'd be a huge playmaker in our scheme and offers a nice fit.

The corners are alright and didn't have a ton of trouble dealing with a pretty talented group of Giants receivers. We need LaRon to come back healthy pretty badly. Our ILBs and Safeties basically have to be our best and most versatile players given how demanding this scheme is for them and those are two of our weaker spots when Landry goes down. This is where I'd fortify the roster if given the chance.

So in short, I'd rank the places where we'd get the most long term benefit from a first round pick like this:

1.) ILB
2.) RT
3.) DE
4.) NT
5.) OG
6.) S

That's removing QB from consideration of course.

I'd like to see us come away with an ILB and multi-tool dominant defensive lineman with our first and second round picks this year. Then I'd like to see us get some fricking good interior offensive linemen with our picks in the middle rounds. The offensive line will hold us back from reaching our potential until we finally infuse it with some talent.

steve what would you think about Grubbs from ravens.. like is tated earlier with all the resignings they have to do.. Rice,ngata,flacco,oher i see him possibly slipping through the cracks..