2012 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[GWinSkins83]

Sorry I'm a little late to the party on this WR 2013 draft discussion but I have 2 questions:

1) What are Wilson and Allen's first names?

2) Although it's way, way early - where do each project in the draft? (I'd like to know if we even would have a chance or if we're talking about each as part of an academic exercise)

Marquees Wilson and Keenan Allen. And it's real tricky they're 1 round talent even say top 15 talent. But its also other WRs that have an argument too. Like Robert Woods, Cobi Hamilton, and both UT Wrs.

[Dukes and Skins]

Marquees Wilson and Keenan Allen. And it's real tricky they're 1 round talent even say top 15 talent. But its also other WRs that have an argument too. Like Robert Woods, Cobi Hamilton, and both UT Wrs.

Keenan Woods and Wilson so far are top 15 locks for me. Hunter and Rogers are more mid 1st round guys and then with Hamilton I have him late 1st early 2nd

[GWinSkins83]

Keenan Woods and Wilson so far are top 15 locks for me. Hunter and Rogers are more mid 1st round guys and then with Hamilton I have him late 1st early 2nd

Only things you got Hunter as mid 1st and he was hurt this year. He could have a big year and boom he's elevated to top 5 or 10 pick. Can't teach what he got size, track speed, and playmaking ability.

[Dukes and Skins]

Only things you got Hunter as mid 1st and he was hurt this year. He could have a big year and boom he's elevated to top 5 or 10 pick. Can't teach what he got size, track speed, and playmaking ability.

I totally agree, Hunter is one of the best players when you look at what he can bring to the table, but he's gonna need a full year of production from me to warrant a higher grade

[The Tris]

What do you all expect to be long term need positions next year?

After the obvious secondary issues, I still think we are unsettled at best and stocked with depth players only at worse at RT.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

What do you all expect to be long term need positions next year?

Pretty much the same as this year. Secondary and LB, outside and in, would be the priorities on defense. O-line and a slot receiver along with maybe a TE depending on things on O.

Hail.

[DogofWar1]

After the obvious secondary issues, I still think we are unsettled at best and stocked with depth players only at worse at RT.

I'm still holding out hope that Smith develops into something special. He's earned the chance at least. But yeah, odds are long term we'll need a new starting RT. Luckily, those kinds of guys can usually be found in the 2nd and second year starters can be found in the 3rd and 4th sometimes. Interior is still a big ? too. LeRibeus should develop, but we're still probably 1-2 players from a set interior line.

Pretty much the same as this year. Secondary and LB, outside and in, would be the priorities on defense. O-line and a slot receiver along with maybe a TE depending on things on O.
Hail.

Secondary is the 800 lb gorilla. Unless Minnifield lights up the league we're still a top CB away from where we should be. And SS and FS are anywhere between set (Meriweather/Jackson work out, or Gomes steps up in a big way and Jackson still works out) to completely screwed (Meriweather gets another DWI or six, Jackson is kicked out of the league, Gomes never develops).

And I still want my VJax/Megatron clone. I know we probably won't get one, but I'm holding out hope.

And while I like Cofield and our Dline in general, I could see us going for an NT if Cofield doesn't play at a high enough level.

I actually think LB is fairly well off for now. Orakpo, Fletcher, Riley, and Kerrigan are a solid starter group, and the only looming replacement is Fletcher, and we drafted Robinson and signed Goff, both of whom I could see succeeding.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Backer depth dog. Sorry, should of clarified.

And yup, a nose may become a need by next year. Either to start or for depth.

Hail.

[gorebd82]

I still think our biggest need is big play ability at RB. We just don't have the ability for a back to take it all the way. That's a huge threat in the ZBS. Think Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. We could certainly use a legit, thoroughbred franchise back like Foster or a speedster or at the minimum a scat back rotating in.

[terrifNick21]

I still think our biggest need is big play ability at RB. We just don't have the ability for a back to take it all the way. That's a huge threat in the ZBS. Think Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. We could certainly use a legit, thoroughbred franchise back like Foster or a speedster or at the minimum a scat back rotating in.

[MartinC]

I still think our biggest need is big play ability at RB. We just don't have the ability for a back to take it all the way. That's a huge threat in the ZBS. Think Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. We could certainly use a legit, thoroughbred franchise back like Foster or a speedster or at the minimum a scat back rotating in.

Let's see what Helu can do in his second year - he has speed and could be that big play guy. I just wonder if he can stay healthy over a full year with 20 plus touches (not carries touches) a game.

On the needs next year corner, safety and right tackle would be the top areas for me. This assumes though that two of Garçon, Morgan and Hankerson show they can be good to very good starting recievers.

[Chump Bailey]

I still think our biggest need is big play ability at RB. We just don't have the ability for a back to take it all the way. That's a huge threat in the ZBS. Think Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. We could certainly use a legit, thoroughbred franchise back like Foster or a speedster or at the minimum a scat back rotating in.

A Ronnie Hillman type would have been nice or a back that can break tackles, move piles and be more durable, which we likely got with Morris.

Helu could be primed for a big year though too.

[Dukes and Skins]

A Ronnie Hillman type would have been nice or a back that can break tackles, move piles and be more durable, which we likely got with Morris.

Helu could be primed for a big year though too.

If we look RB next year I'd love to see Ray Graham here, provided he's healthy from that knee injury. Before the injury he was probably the best RB in college football

[terrifNick21]

If we look RB next year I'd love to see Ray Graham here, provided he's healthy from that knee injury. Before the injury he was probably the best RB in college football

I'd prefer Fitzgerald Toussaint, Le'Veon Bell, or Michael Dyer.

[Monk4thaHALL]

I think that Graham at his best gives you a good bit of YAC from out of the backfield.

IF you label him the best back in the country, and all you based this on was his cut-ups from South Florida, available on youtube, you'd likely think of Ray Rice. I know I did at first. I actually wanted to post about him a few days back, saying just as much. However, aside from carving up South Florida, which game did he recreate that type of dominance?

You see, I agree and disagree at the same time.

I felt like at first look he was all that, but then upon looking deeper, it seemed his yardage was earned by war of attrition, most of the time. Lots of short gains and a few large chunks when the line opened something up. Mostly I saw him swallowed up by decent defenses like ND and Iowa.

And I didn't see elite ability to reverse field or top-end speed to run away from people. Always caught from behind, strung out when bouncing out to the sideline. Not that, that is the most important thing to a RB, just what I noticed.

His pass catching, a different story, he's solid there and gains YAC.

That said, I still hope he can return to form for an entire year. He definitely has some skills and someone I actually like.

For Dyer, I have to consider his off the field nonsense. For some guys I don't all that caught up in off field stuff (like Rambo) but for Dyer, I just get a bad vibe. Now he's a transfer, out of Auburn. So, while a good athlete, I never thought he was light years ahead of McCalebb. Maybe overall better, but I, in fact, always like O.M. moreso than Dyer.

So to McCalebb, I always felt he was slightly underrated, did just the same as Dyer when given a chance. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do as a primary back. Though a bit small and primarily his stock in trade is speed and quickness, all I know is that he carved up UVA. So, he's not an every down back.

One of my personal favorites is Andre Ellington, has been for awhile. Actually like him moreso, in a different way to Graham.

He has something that few do, incredible quickness and acceleration – but maybe the term (to be more specific) is gear change. His ability to change gear and accelerate past someone is pronounced, at least to me. I see top-end speed to run away from people. Though, he's not going to pound you backwards.

A few times I thought to myself of Chris Johnson - I know ... that's saying a lot. I'll just say it's what I though of, the few times he hit a hole and accelerated past the entire 2nd level and secondary for a TD – not necessarily the spinning image, mind you. And it wasn't against the stingiest of competition.

When I think of guys that fit that shanahan type mold of the late round "pounder" type back, all purpose back, I think of Burkhead and Z. Line. For better or worse, those two seem like their style is what MS selects, for whatever reason.

Other RBs I like, want to watch:
- Lattimore - obviously from the injury
- Markus Coker
- Washaun Ealey
(Both transfers)
- Branden Oliver
- Isi Sofele
- Tim Flanders
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I'm sure there will be lots of guys who will make their name known during the season, that are not talked about now.

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