ExtremeSkins = Extreme Mess

[Jumbo]

tshile, while i find much of your "rebuttal" weak at best (factually incorrect and other things at worst), my last words to you on this (at this point) is that i'm quite comfortable with folks reading what you have to say, what i have to say, and drawing their own conclusions. as for you not being an active poster for quite awhile, this December shows you posting at about your normal rate, but whatever.

They're dropping like flies and Jumbo's trophy case is getting quite full.

Actually, I may just move this one out if the range of fire, soon, for now, to save some from themselves.

[tshile]

Yeah, I still hang around ticket and stadium related threads. I got involved in the Newtown stuff too. But if you compare my posts over the last year to 2010 you'll see what I mean. I haven't made a thread, outside of selling preseason tickets, since 2011. There just flat out isn't a better resource for ticket holders and stadium goers than this site. In large part to mark, and many others.

[zoony]

I dont post here much anymore, really just lurk for news every now and then..

Good. Because you offer absolutely nothing as a poster. The forum is better off when you're not active

I already have found one, and I am much happier.

Great. Go there. This forum is better when you're not here. Your posts aren't interesting, informative, or amusing even by accident. Just self-absorbed, boring, tedious noise that people need to skip over to get to the good stuff. Take the OP in this thread. It was entertaining, by accident. Your diatribe above was about as easy to read as the owners manual to my microwave. You can't even melt down in an interesting way.

And I cannot believe you just typed a 50,000 word essay on why a football message board you don't like is run by meany pants who hurt your feelings. That is exhibit Z as to why you offer nothing as a poster. nobody cares. I hope at your new home you'll at least try to be interesting for the sake of others.

We all couldn't be happier that you don't like it here and have found a new home.

[tshile]

Great. Go there. This forum is better when you're not here. Your posts aren't interesting, informative, or amusing even by accident. Just self-absorbed, boring, tedious noise that people need to skip over to get to the good stuff. Take the OP in this thread. It was entertaining, by accident. Your diatribe above was about as easy to read as the owners manual to my microwave. You can't even melt down in an interesting way.

And I cannot believe you just typed a 50,000 word essay on why a football message board you don't like is run by meany pants who hurt your feelings. That is exhibit Z as to why you offer nothing as a poster. nobody cares. I hope at your new home you'll at least try to be interesting for the sake of others.

We all couldn't be happier that you don't like it here and have found a new home.

Well, you skipped right down the ladder of disagreement and went straight to straddling the line of the bottom two sections. http://blog.createdebate.com/2008/04...-disagreement/

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond to that without you just banning me - because if I posted like you just did I'd be breaking the rules. I'm sure you and others are hive-fiving in the admin forums over it. The baiting tactic is lame, especially for a moderator.

I didn't say half the things you just claim I said, but why should that matter. This is a text book example of what I'm talking about. I suppose you're right though, it's me that's self absorbed.

[Bacon]

lazy modding

You don't know of which you speak.

[Mark The Homer]

...ES is way past its peak and its evident by .....

Funny - I got here in '05 and people were saying the board was past its peak back then. That's when the team acquired the site and the numbers really began to inflate. Then, in '06 it was way past its peak. In '07 it was ridiculously past it's peak. In '08 and '09, we were so far pat the peak, the peak was just a distant memory. In '10, '11, we bottomed out, and nobody could remember the peak. In '12, we were actually digging into the ground we were so past the peak.

So it's no wonder that in '13, some people are claiming the board is past its peak.

But the truth is, the board's peak is up ahead. We might have to cross a few dips and valleys from time to time, but we're still moving in the right direction.

I think it might have been Blade who once said, "Ask not what your board can do for you; ask what you can you do for your board."

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I got a NNT during that Swinging Gate game in 2009. Have not been banned. I've been on here for near 4 years.

Adhere to the rules and don't be stupid. It's simple enough. It's a ******* messageboard man. Use common sense.

I don't understand how people do **** they know is frowned upon and get pissed when they are reprimanded. Then, they throw a *****fit. It's not real life. get over it.

[Bacon]

I got a NNT during that Swinging Gate game in 2009.

Hahahaha that deserves an asterisk. Yeah, get NNT'd, but we all understand.

[mistertim]

Actually, I may just move this one out if the range of fire, soon, for now, to save some from themselves.

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

[Burgold]

As a guy who's been on this board for more then ten years (for which I deserve either an award or straight jacket) I've seen this board both evolve and de-evolve many times.

There are things which I think are both positives and negatives. I think the idea of reducing multiple, redundant threads was a good idea... however, I think we've gone overboard. We have these 500 post threads which include every tangent of a topic, but that means is that topic is often overstuffed and that new info or an interesting sub-idea gets quickly lost. I'm not sure what the best balance for that is, but I don't think the mix is quite right.

Certainly, we don't need thirty OP's on RGIII's knee, but three or four might be fine. It's probably a very tough balancing act figuring out which parallel threads add to the discussion and which are clutter, but I think slightly narrower topics would be beneficial. Right now, I think the pendulum has swung to far and the black hole's gravity is pulling too many ideas in.

I could be entirely wrong about this and as I said, finding the right mix is tough. Maybe it's based on quality... I don't know.

This is probably an ironic criticism for me since I am probably at times guilty to starting too many threads... though I generally don't start one without what I believe to be an interesting or significant point, angle, or issue. Right now, for example, I wouldn't mind three or four threads analyzing different positions... I think there could be a very honest discussion about our overachieving o-line and whether or not it needs to be upgraded... what we think about its depth (are Stabby, Gettis, and Compton worthy of our faith) and what else is out there. I suspect in the current model we're using that's been covered in the free agent thread, but I don't know if I could find it or tease it out. Likewise, I'd like to talk about the progress of our pups, especially at wide receiver... what kind of progress is it reasonable to expect out of Hankerson and Robinson after their first real year of experience? Mind you, I think one of out better posters has been doing group break outs... so maybe this example or my complaint is misfounded, but I just look at the front page right now and can't help but feel the little Oliver Twist in my asking, "Can I have some more?" even if what is there is all very reasonable.

As for the mods, I don't have a problem with them and think they do a darn fine job esp. considering the tempers, hooliganism, and misbehavior we have all witnessed on the board. Asking or imagining that there can be absolute even-handedness is somewhat unrealistic if for no other reason that to expect volunteer moderators to read every single post and understand the subtext and history behind it is a bit much. Sometimes things worthy of banning don't get banned because they are missed or not reported. Sometimes a poster is given the benefit of the doubt or given grace. Sometimes, a PM warning can be sent. All of these are fine.

Mostly though, I figure the board is as good or bad as we are. The community provokes both the thought and quality. If you are unhappy up your game. As for complaining, the same is true. If you are unhappy, up your game. Let others see what should be. Mods have never banned anyone for being too brilliant, insightful, or funny nor has honest criticism ever been discouraged (by the mods).

If what I imagine happening does (that is, the 'skins enter a brighter period of success) this board will begin a new growth spurt with bandwagoners, bandwagoners who become full blooded fans, and new fans... that means each poster and mod has a responsibility to set a tone and make sure that this place is what we hope it to be.

I've probably said too much... so, I'll stop here.

[SnyderShrugged]

Threads like these make me sad to read.

"mess" indeed.

[jrockster21]

But the truth is, the board's peak is up ahead. We might have to cross a few dips...but we're still moving in the right direction.

And make a few of them moderators!

Miss ya, Mark. Hope the family is well!

[LD0506]

Nice input Burg, but I'm not sure I'd agree with your thoughts on things being too restricted vis-a-vis new/multiple threads, etc. The old expression "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile" comes to mind. Whenever we've cycled through one of those times where the staff backs off a little the place is a mess. The responsible people here stay responsible, but the kiddies just run wild. You've seen it, several times in fact in varying places, and if it weren't for the diligent efforts of the under appreciated few, this board would resemble so many others that we mock.

I think the thing is that you (and others of your ilk) come to the board already housebroken and just expect that others will act like adults (even if it is just an act). The internet is rife with sites that encourage posters to compete in immaturity, and if they stumble in here it chafes to have to sit up straight and keep their elbows off the table. You are in a quite distinct minority online in the way you present yourself.

I do agree 100% that if it isn't what you like, up your own game and set a better tone, for yourself and for others to follow, but some people do absolutely demand to be smacked at times.

[Goaldeje]

This thread is a fantastic reminder for me. Thanks all!

[Burgold]

I do agree 100% that if it isn't what you like, up your own game and set a better tone, for yourself and for others to follow, but some people do absolutely demand to be smacked at times.

Sure, I think it's true and I know that there have been a couple of times where I've crossed the lines. Sometimes with rebuke and other times I've skated... though generally, I do try to be a good citizen.

I think it's fair to also add that while the moderators by and large are also good citizens and do a good job on the highwire, I think they too fall sometimes and while it frustrates me when I see the principal get mad and behave inappropriately (especially if aimed at me or a poster I like) I also know that they are human and prone to their own moments of stupidity.

By and large though, I think the mods do a good job policing that baser instinct in themselves. When they err I might comment, but I don't fuss too much. After all, there are a couple of reasons for a mod perceived gaffe... one, there's a history that I'm not aware of and they are responding to it, it's one of those fine line things and it will work out in the end, I might actually be wrong and the mod right (highly likely) or the mod just goofed which frankly they're allowed to do occassionally