Forget "Sucky for Lucky" and lets "Play for Today"

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Your wasting your time on the majority BLC man.

It's either totally lost on them; they have anointed Grossman the new saviour; or they think your a 'hater' by definition because your not 100% buying into the guy currently under center.

Hail.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

BLC, I want a franchise QB as well. But I think people have gone way too far with it. Just in the past decade or so, 3 non-franchise QBs have won a Super Bowl. Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer (sorry) have all hoisted the Lombardi trophy and I don't believe they are franchise QBs. I'm also not sold on Big Ben, but I know I'll lose that debate so I'll count him as one for the sake of argument.

I'd love to add a young, promising QB to this team. I think we will. But I don't believe we have no hope of a championship if we don't get one. In addition to the guys I named who have won a Super Bowl, players like Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselback, and our own Rex Grossman have played in Super Bowls in the past 10 years. That punches holes in the franchise QB theory to me.

Edit: I just read your above post and I'm not sure I understand what qualifies as a franchise QB in your mind. Can you define it for me?

eli is a franchise QB, hes just bottom of the totem pole on that list of the big guys.

those guys all lost, and most of them got crushed. gannons team got shredded, the bears had no chance, hasselbecks team got slayed, delhomme is the only one that got close. none of these guys were capable of taking over a game and dominating with regularity (to my next point):

a franchise QB, to me, is a guy that can take over a game and put the team on his back. i think by now you should know the kind of guy im talking about: makes all the throws, makes plays when the team needs it, throws lots of touchdowns, minimizes turnovers, knows how to lead a team, etc. if this team keeps playing like this we can probably win 10 games with this group, and we'd probably just get crushed in the playoffs, like most of shannys teams with plummer.

shanny made the playoffs 4 times without elway.
2000 with griese: crushed 21-3.
2003 with plummer: oblierated 41-10
2004 with plummer: slaughtered 49-24
2005 with plummer: finally won a game, then got spanked in the divisional games.

so:
shanahan with franchise QB in elway: 7-1, 2 superbowl wins
shanahan without franchise QB: 1-4, never made it past divisonal game

is that a coincidence? i think not.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Your wasting your time on the majority BLC man.

It's either totally lost on them; they have anointed Grossman the new saviour; or they think your a 'hater' by definition because your not 100% buying into the guy currently under center.

Hail.

I don't think that's true at all. I think there is still a lot of skepticism on whether or not Grossman can be our QB for the entire season, let alone several seasons on end.

[terpskins10]

We had 12 picks this past year and every one made the team in one capacity or another.

I'm willing to make a trade with some picks this year.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Your wasting your time on the majority BLC man.

It's either totally lost on them; they have anointed Grossman the new saviour; or they think your a 'hater' by definition because your not 100% buying into the guy currently under center.

Hail.

dont get me wrong, grossman is playing well, has exceeded my expectations and proven me wrong big time so far, and i think we're way better than i gave us credit for. however, he is not the answer nor the future by any stretch. we will never win a superbowl without a franchise QB, its that simple. this is a QB league, and always will be as long as the rules stay the same.

we still need a franchise QB, and if we cant get luck, id like jones or barkley. or hell, im waiting for bruce to trade two full drafts for luck lol.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I don't think that's true at all. I think there is still a lot of skepticism on whether or not Grossman can be our QB for the entire season, let alone several seasons on end.

I think you've missed a lot of posts that have just stopped short of being 'told you so' posts TD_w of late. After two games.

The rational, level headed posters like yourself are still reserving judgement. The majority who follow like sheep on the other hand .....

Hail.

[Slacky McSlackAss]

Tom Brady, 5th round.

There are plenty of QBs drafted in the first round who don't pan out. We'd all like the next Peyton Manning, but it makes no sense to not try to be as good as you can possibly be with the current makeup. There are no guarantees. What you have now is what you roll with. At draft time, see what's out there.

And I am so tired of people ALWAYS bringing this up. Brady was a diamond in the rough, who was put in the perfect system with the perfect coach to lead him to succeed. The odds of finding another QB like that in the 6th round are one in a million. We'll end up with a QB like Landry Jones or perhaps Ryan Tannehill.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

eli is a franchise QB, hes just bottom of the totem pole on that list of the big guys.

those guys all lost, and most of them got crushed. gannons team got shredded, the bears had no chance, hasselbecks team got slayed, delhomme is the only one that got close. none of these guys were capable of taking over a game and dominating with regularity (to my next point):

a franchise QB, to me, is a guy that can take over a game and put the team on his back. i think by now you should know the kind of guy im talking about: makes all the throws, makes plays when the team needs it, throws lots of touchdowns, minimizes turnovers, knows how to lead a team, etc. if this team keeps playing like this we can probably win 10 games with this group, and we'd probably just get crushed in the playoffs, like most of shannys teams with plummer.

shanny made the playoffs 4 times without elway.
2000 with griese: crushed 21-3.
2003 with plummer: oblierated 41-10
2004 with plummer: slaughtered 49-24
2005 with plummer: finally won a game, then got spanked in the divisional games.

so:
shanahan with franchise QB in elway: 7-1, 2 superbowl wins
shanahan without franchise QB: 1-4, never made it past divisonal game

is that a coincidence? i think not.

It's a good argument and I agree that we need an upgraded QB moving forward. I just look at it a little differently. With a couple rare exceptions, I think that the target organization itself is just as big a factor in determining whether or not a QB will become a franchise QB.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

We'll end up with a QB like Landry Jones ..... .

Man I'd give anything for you to be able to wave a magic wand and guarantee that man on this roster next year, sighs.

Hail.

[Bang]

In reply to those who say trade Cooley, cut/trade Torain. This is called depth, I know your not used to it, but once you are you won't be crapping your pants everytime a player goes down with an injury.

Clearly you don't understand why trading Cooley would have been a good idea, which is odd, because it has everything to do with depth.

To the OP.. you probably won't be seeing too many Suck for Luck threads anymore.
One, we're likely not going to be anywhere near the running for that top pick
and two, I don't think that we could suck worse than the Colts if we put the cheerleaders in pads and let them play.

~Bang

[Mahons21]

I think you've missed a lot of posts that have just stopped short of being 'told you so' posts TD_w of late. After two games.

The rational, level headed posters like yourself are still reserving judgement. The majority who follow like sheep on the other hand .....

Hail.

Edited for stupidity.

[Slacky McSlackAss]

Man I'd give anything for you to be able to wave a magic wand and guarantee that man on this roster next year, sighs.

Hail.

If Shanny likes him, we will trade up and get him. Otherwise, a QB like Tannehill is nothing to scoff at. Tannehill will also be a VERY good QB in this league.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I think you've missed a lot of posts that have just stopped short of being 'told you so' posts TD_w of late. After two games.

The rational, level headed posters like yourself are still reserving judgement. The majority who follow like sheep on the other hand .....

Hail.

Maybe I have...I've been on and off when it comes to ES over the past couple weeks. But, to an extent, those who said Grossman and/or Beck could get the job done are correct. There's no guarantee it will last, but I think Grossman's body of work over the past 5 regular season games shows that he's capable of running this offense at a top-10ish level. He might regress. He might start turning the ball over. But just the fact that he CAN do it validates Shanahan's decision to move forward with just those two QBs, doesn't it?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

It's a good argument and I agree that we need an upgraded QB moving forward. I just look at it a little differently. With a couple rare exceptions, I think that the target organization itself is just as big a factor in determining whether or not a QB will become a franchise QB.

maybe, but people think the lions have been a huge terrible joke. insert matt stafford with some real weapons and theyre murdering teams. a legit stud QB can turn an entire franchise around, we see it all the time. aaron rodgers first season they went 6-10 and theyve been amazing ever since. the colts had been awful until manning showed up. the chargers were doormats until brees/rivers, etc. the steelers had always had a good defense but could never get over the hump until roethlisburger showed up. its just how important a QB is.

its obviously a team sport, and a QB cant be surrounded by garbage, but the QB dicates the majority of what goes on for an offense. i mean hell, look at the colts without manning lol.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

So rational and level-headed that he predicted the skins to start the season 0-5, which is nearly as good as your what 4-12 season prediction? The fact of the matter is neither one of you was very rational this past off-season, but at least BLC is admitting his wrongs.

Uhmmm, man, you might want to reread as to just who I was responding to and calling 'rational and level headed'; and alter your post accordingly.

Hail.