2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?

[Gurgeh]

The problem for the Colts has always been that no-one who's any good wanted to be the backup to Manning, because they'd never get a game. If they do draft Luck then you might not see Luck play for years. My guess would be they'd keep him on the bench for at least 2 years and then try to trade Manning. The Colts might be better off waiting 2 years for the next QB and using the time to address, well, everything else in their team; the drop-off in performance without Manning has shown just how good a QB he's been - makes you wonder what Manning's stats would be if he'd ended up with the Patriots for example.

Rather than focusing on the one player for a future QB I think we just need to focus on getting the best QB we can without sacraficing too much - maybe the top two picks in 2012, plus some pick from the following year. A top 5 QB surrounded by a good team will do a lot better than the number 1 QB forced to carry his squad.

[Water Boy]

Im about 100% sure that if the rams was to get the 1st overall pick, they would trade out of it. They already have sam bradford, why would they take luck?!! If it WAS the rams, than you make one heckuva deal and see if you can land it. If the shanaplan is to get him by every means necessary, ill be on board. Even if i dont think it was necessarily necessary.

Agree totally. If the Skins fans want to get back to the glory days in these days it starts with a Franchise QB. The days of picking up retread QB's are over.

[XEL]

Honestly I'm split. We've got a great defense but may need to start grooming a MLB, pending on how long Fletcher plays. Offensively, the line is holding it's own, we have a good receiving corps and a great running back trio. I prefer to keep the picks and have Shanahan work his find-players-late-magic. BUT, talent like Luck just doesn't come around very often. He's been called the best QB prospect in over 25 years and personally, I believe that when his NFL career ends, he'll be above Peyton Manning.

[bird_1972]

I still fail to see how trading the house for ONE PLAYER is a smart move.

Especially one who isn't even a senior. My impression is that senior QBs do better than non-senior QBs. That extra year of experience adds to maturity and develops better decision-making abilities that is critical at the QB position above all others.

[addicted]

Silly idea
First off the Colts won't trade that pick to us

And secondly we have other needs to address then just the psycho minds of the fanbase who hate Rex Grossman
So many of you hated Rex before he even got a chance on the field it's not even funny to me and continue to show how emotional you are with threads like this or the ones calling for John Beck
Rex wasn't perfect this week, he never is. Rex is perfectly imperfect every week
But neither is whatever flavor of the week QB you might want us to get
Rex knows the offense and will perform if the playcalling doesn't ask him to throw the ball 17 out of 19 plays, **** you Kyle. Get it together man seriously
In 2 games with a balanced offense he was getting the offense moving and doing great
Give him more time

And those who want to judge Rex vs Luck need to remember Matthew Stafford
In his first two season MS missed a ton of games and played in only 5 of them
And you need to remember Aaron Rogers
In his first two seasons he barely even started a single game
My point is if your wanting a quick turnaround then drafting a rookie QB is a stupid idea in general

If we were to draft the QB at #1 then I'd expect him not to play much at all for Coach Shannahan's first two seasons
And then it's Coach's 5th and final season here and we can't use him much
The time to draft a QB with a 1st round pick was this past draft but we didn't
I'm not saying lets not draft one in the 2012 draft but I am saying if you suggest we draft one and give up our entire draft to do it that it just doesn't make logical sense to me

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

If we were to draft the QB at #1 then I'd expect him not to play much at all for Coach Shannahan's first two seasons

Shanahan's track record says otherwise.

[FanboyOf91]

I think it's a given that Rex is a stop gap QB for our franchise but to trade away the house just to get Luck when we do have other needs to fill just sounds irresponsible and Cerrato like.

Seconded. It's completely short-sighted, and destabilizes the team's foundation. Might as well rehire Vinny if we do this.

[Veretax]

I will remind folks

2004


Of all the picks of the 2004 Draft Let's look at them

#1 Eli Manning (1 SB a couple of play off wins)
#4 Phillip Rivers (Few Playoff wins, no Super Bowls)
#11 Big Ben (3 Super Bowls 2 Victories? Lots of Wins in the playoffs?)
#22 JP Losman (Where is that guy now?)


Big ben wasn't taken #1, but he's got to have one of the best records of any QB taken in the last 7 years in the playoffs.

[justice98]

I'm all for getting Luck if you can, within reason. But there's gotta be another QB in that draft you can win with. How about all those fancy scouts, coaches, and front office people they pay big bucks to actually find that guy.

[andy614]

I would say most would feel that Rex is nothing more than a stop gap. For every good play he may make, he will make a bad play. The Skins long term success will be tied to some future QB.

2012 could be that time when we decide to invest in a future QB.

The consensus is Andrew Luck will be the #1 QB. If the season plays out like most think it will, we should be drafting anywhere from 10-20.

My poll question: Would you trade all your picks and even 2013 picks if need for the #1 pick?

Vinny? Is that you trolling this message board? It sure sounds like you. Let's forget all the needs of the team for one guy who will suddenly come in and make us chanpions. No thank you. I want to BUILD the team the right way. By drafting smart and filling some holes with free agents.

[ConnSKINS26]

I believe that when his NFL career ends, he'll be above Peyton Manning.

This stuff is getting beyond ridiculous, people.

Its almost like most people haven't even SEEN Luck play. They just look at him as the great hope of the NFL, a can't-miss prospect that is bound to be great, a player that half the league should be tanking for. Its out of control, and I'm already sick of it.

People, Luck is considered to be such a "can't-miss" prospect because he's a pretty safe prospect. He's not necessarily elite in many things, but he's far above average in all of them. So, he has a high floor. He can come into the NFL and possibly be like Matt Ryan pretty quickly. That's a good investment at the top of the draft. That's why he's so highly touted, so "can't-miss". Not because if you draft him, he "can't-miss" the HOF. None of what I've said means he'll come close to Peyton Manning's career. Jeez.

---------- Post added September-28th-2011 at 10:23 AM ----------

And those who want to judge Rex vs Luck need to remember Matthew Stafford
In his first two season MS missed a ton of games and played in only 5 of them
And you need to remember Aaron Rogers
In his first two seasons he barely even started a single game
My point is if your wanting a quick turnaround then drafting a rookie QB is a stupid idea in general

If we were to draft the QB at #1 then I'd expect him not to play much at all for Coach Shannahan's first two seasons

I agree with most of what you say in that post, except for this.

1. Stafford was injured. Otherwise, he would have started every single game for the Lions since he was drafted.

2. Rodgers was sitting behind a HOF'er in Brett Favre. Although I do think that he NEEDED to sit for a year or two, in order to properly burst onto the scene like he did.

So basically, those were the worst two examples you could have come up with.

And, Shanahan played Cutler about halfway through the year with a team that had just gotten to the playoffs the year prior...benching a limited system QB in Plummer to do it. Hmmm.

[justice98]

The problem for the Colts has always been that no-one who's any good wanted to be the backup to Manning, because they'd never get a game. If they do draft Luck then you might not see Luck play for years. My guess would be they'd keep him on the bench for at least 2 years and then try to trade Manning. The Colts might be better off waiting 2 years for the next QB and using the time to address, well, everything else in their team; the drop-off in performance without Manning has shown just how good a QB he's been - makes you wonder what Manning's stats would be if he'd ended up with the Patriots for example.

They didn't seem all that interested in the Billy Volek types of the world, ie., career backups that a) are comfortable in the role sitting behind an entrenched starter, and b) have shown at least some ability to play in the NFL in a real game. But Kerry Collins might not have been a bad option if they hadn't just thrown him in there after 2 weeks and expected any kind of results.

But the Colts never invested in a QB in the draft either. I don't think they spent anything higher than a 6th on a QB. It's not surprising they're in the mess they're in. The Patriots are spending a 3rd round pick on Ryan Mallet, who most people think can actually play this game. The best example would be the Packers who had Brett Favre who never missed a snap, but they invested early to middle round picks on 4-5 guys over the years that went on to be adequate to very successful starting QBs in the league. If nothing else, they would've had trade bait.

Almost everything they did was investing in the now, rather than the future or contingencies. Which isn't bad when Peyton's there every single week, they just ran into the worst case scenario.

Better QBs than Luck have sat. Sitting shouldn't be an issue. I appreciate he's hyped as the greatest thing since sliced bread without playing a snap in the NFL, but he'll have to live up to that hype to be better than Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, and Philip Rivers et al, guys who had to sit for a few years. Making him sit is no reason not to take him unless you have a young franchise QB you believe in.

[scruffylookin]

I'm all for getting Luck, but clearly the Redskins are not going to be bad enough to be even close to drafting him or even close enough to trade up for him. I do think QB is the top need for this team moving forward into the decade, but I think that guy will have to be in that next tier of QB's who apparently are all still considered better prospects than the group that went in the first this past draft.

[Rdskns2000]

The problem for the Colts has always been that no-one who's any good wanted to be the backup to Manning, because they'd never get a game. If they do draft Luck then you might not see Luck play for years. My guess would be they'd keep him on the bench for at least 2 years and then try to trade Manning. The Colts might be better off waiting 2 years for the next QB and using the time to address, well, everything else in their team; the drop-off in performance without Manning has shown just how good a QB he's been - makes you wonder what Manning's stats would be if he'd ended up with the Patriots for example.

Rather than focusing on the one player for a future QB I think we just need to focus on getting the best QB we can without sacraficing too much - maybe the top two picks in 2012, plus some pick from the following year. A top 5 QB surrounded by a good team will do a lot better than the number 1 QB forced to carry his squad.

If the Colts were to trade Manning, next year would be the only time they can do it. He will be 36 next year; there won't be much left in the tank for him. He probably could give you 2-3 years.


I think the time has come for some changes in Coltsland. The Polians need to be on the hot seat because their drafting hasn't been that great. Lose one player and the team collapses that fast. Seems to me like they really didn't draft well. Also, Caldwell isn't that great. With Fisher,Cower and Gruden out there; there could be a coaching change. If there's a new regime in 2012, they might be more open to starting over.

[KCasady]

The team with that pick will never trade it. When Luck becomes a great QB, they will be crusified. I don't see any team trading the chance to draft Luck.

What is its the rams? They for sure wont be taking a QB. Neither will Cinci or Tennessee.