2012: Trade it all for the #1 pick(Probably Luck), even 2013 picks if needed?

[GibbsFactor]

OK, I'm going off of what people on this board have posted since Luck became a hot topic. I guess we'll see. If Luck is the best QB since John Elway, then I guess you were right. If he's marginally better than some of the other very good young QBs in the league, it would have been pretty foolish to trade away two drafts to land him when one of the other prospects plus 12 or 13 other young players might have been a better haul, right?

Sure, we can play that game all day.

There's only one game I want to play and that game ends with a bona fide starter for us. I clearly understand what sacrificing all these draft choices means. I also clearly understand that we need a QB some kind of bad. If we can get one of the top 3, whoever they end up being, I'll be satisfied.

Look, it is a bit foolish to trade away two drafts for one player. I think that a bunch of us are so damn tired of trotting out journeymen QBs that we'd go so far as to Ditka the draft this year for one.

[texasthunder]

Yea, great idea, give up all of our picks and then Luck gets hurt in training camp. Then where are we ?
At least three years of setback, that's where we are at.

There were some of us that wanted Gabbert, there were others that wanted to roll with Beck and or Grossman, we are in a situation where we have to get thru this year with Grossman or Beck.
Good or bad, that's the hand we are dealt.

[-JB-]

More brilliant football minds than yourself were convinced that Ryan Leaf was at least as good of a prospect as Peyton in the 1998 NFL draft. Nothing is a sure thing.

The Colts weren't convinced. Im not convinced there is another QB on Lucks level in this draft. Only Landry Jones is in the discussion. Lmao@somebody saying Weeden who's 27... & Matt Barkley is not Landry Jones.

[ConnSKINS26]

So if a Young Peyton Manning or John Elway was available but the scheme didn't fit the QB it would be okay to pass on him? Cam Newton didn't fit anyone's system but the Panthers did something extremely smart and adjusted their system to utilize his talents

Why does Cam Newton not fit "anyone's system"? You're talking out your ass, as if the Panther's created this innovative new offense. He can make every NFL throw. He just happens to also be huge and mobile. They aren't doing anything exceptionally different with him so far this year. In fact, they're throwing the ball A LOT. Which would seem to go against your misconceptions of what a team SHOULD do to mitigate the holes in his skill-set...which really aren't there, physically.

---------- Post added September-27th-2011 at 05:05 PM ----------

Did you just say Rodgers "probably" would have been better than Campbell ? Wow lmao

This is what you picked out? Use your brain and respond to the meat of the post, or don't respond at all. In
the context of the rest of my point, this made sense.

Here it is:

Of course they do. Franchise QB's are partially created, and allowed to bloom into what they have the potential to become, because of situation/coaching/supporting cast/time to develop.

Rodgers was a VERY different player coming out of college than he is now. People would have scoffed then if you told them that in 4-5 years time, Aaron Rodgers would have the best deep ball in the NFL. They would have laughed at you. He needed to sit on the bench for three years like he did, behind a HOF QB, in a stable offense with a consistent, proficient FO. He wouldn't have gotten that here. He'd be a totally different player right now, I reckon. Better than Campbell, probably, but not the stud QB he is now. Most QB's are not just "plug and play", even the ones that have franchise QB caliber skills. Rodgers the super-star "Franchise QB", right now in his prime, is a culmination of MANY factors and advantages, none of which he would have had here.

Almost every QB prospect who succeeds and DOES become that rare, elusive franchise-caliber QB, has a similar story.

[GibbsFactor]

More brilliant football minds than yourself were convinced that Ryan Leaf was at least as good of a prospect as Peyton in the 1998 NFL draft. Nothing is a sure thing.

Actually, most scouts say since Elway. For those that may not recall, Elway is widely considered the best prospect of all time. He may not have been the best, but he is certainly a top 10 QB.

The thing with Leaf is a great example of what not to do moving forward. The choice for the Colts should have been simple. Take the kid raised in sports. Luck has been raised around sports. He knows what it takes to be a pro and that's what makes him much more sure hit than a Ryan Leaf who wasn't emotionally ready for what was given to him.

[ConnSKINS26]

The Colts weren't convinced. Im not convinced there is another QB on Lucks level in this draft. Only Landry Jones is in the discussion. Lmao@somebody saying Weeden who's 27... & Matt Barkley is not Landry Jones.

If Landry Jones is in the discussion, then Griffin certainly is.

[-JB-]

Why are we discussing this ? Because before the season you know Rex Grossman isn't the answer moving foward. He isn't a franchise QB. 2012 is going to be all about drafting the QB, trading up or whatever the hell it takes. I know the timing of this is funny right after the first loss. Its still rational to talk about drafting a franchise QB.

[GibbsFactor]

All those arguments change for Luck, though. Most of those teams take him if they're at #1. There are a few interesting questions if certain teams get the pick:
Jags or Vikings- Just picked a QB with a first, will they take another. Possibly, if it's Luck, but who can be sure?
Bengals- Only because they're such an insanely bad franchise, maybe they draft a K #1.
Colts- Gotta believe they take Luck, but maybe they decide Peyton is such an "icon" that they should trade the pick and build up the supporting cast for Manning's final couple of seasons.

I think the Colts, Jags, Bengals and Vikings would be swayed to trade because you are going to get a ****load for that #1 this year. Someone was saying DeSean and a first. I laughed at that. How bout two firsts, a second AND DeSean? that's going to be closer to the cost.

[-JB-]

If Landry Jones is in the discussion, then Griffin certainly is.

Landry Jones is clearly a more NFL caliber QB than Griffin. I'll end it with that. He's not in the discussion. Do you think Griffin puts up those #'s vs legit teams ? TCU, Stephen F. Austin & Rice ! Lmao

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Why are we discussing this ? Because before the season you know Rex Grossman isn't the answer moving foward. He isn't a franchise QB. 2012 is going to be all about drafting the QB, trading up or whatever the hell it takes. I know the timing of this is funny right after the first loss. Its still rational to talk about drafting a franchise QB.

Meh, I'd save your fingers.

Any future QB's good work will all be undone at the hands of Danny Smith's unit anyway.

Hail.

[Grizz]

I got 2 names for you

Ryan Leaf #2 overall
Aaron Rodgers #24 overall

Drafting a QB is a lot of "Luck"

[GWinSkins83]

The Colts weren't convinced. Im not convinced there is another QB on Lucks level in this draft. Only Landry Jones is in the discussion. Lmao@somebody saying Weeden who's 27... & Matt Barkley is not Landry Jones.

griffin is on that level.

---------- Post added September-27th-2011 at 05:19 PM ----------

Landry Jones is clearly a more NFL caliber QB than Griffin. I'll end it with that. He's not in the discussion. Do you think Griffin puts up those #'s vs legit teams ? TCU, Stephen F. Austin & Rice ! Lmao

In what why is Landry a better NFL caliber QB than Griffin. I can name plentiy of reason why Landry will fail in the NFL.

[Wildbunny]

The more I see that kind of thread the more I want to see Luck turn out being another Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell.

[ConnSKINS26]

Landry Jones is clearly a more NFL caliber QB than Griffin. I'll end it with that. He's not in the discussion. Do you think Griffin puts up those #'s vs legit teams ? TCU, Stephen F. Austin & Rice ! Lmao

...Are you unaware that TCU recently has had a top defense? Apparently not.

Have you actually watched any of these games?? I get the feeling that you haven't. Which makes your opinion absolutely worthless, because this isn't about looking at stats in a box score. Its about seeing them as prospects. Their mechanics, their footwork, their throwing motion, can they make the essential "NFL" throws, how is their ball placement. All of these things are more important than the stats or their competition. Watch both play and evaluate these things fairly, and then we'll talk. You sound pretty ignorant right now. Griffin isn't just having an excellent start to the season because he's putting up ridiculous numbers. He's having an excellent season because of what he's doing with the ball, things that you can evaluate. And Landry Jones has looked mediocre in comparison, in my opinion.

For someone who earlier used the phrase "NFL caliber", or something like it, you aren't representing yourself well in this thread.

Go spend some time in the 2012 Comprehensive Draft Database Thread.

---------- Post added September-27th-2011 at 05:27 PM ----------

The more I see that kind of thread the more I want to see Luck turn out being another Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell.

I don't. That's just some weird form of bitterness/jealousy. Something. Its good for the NFL if Luck turns out to be an excellent prospect. Just like its good for the NFL if Newton continues to succeed, no matter how you feel about him. As long as these types of prospects stay away from our rivals.

[Enter Apotheosis]

The Colts weren't convinced. Im not convinced there is another QB on Lucks level in this draft. Only Landry Jones is in the discussion. Lmao@somebody saying Weeden who's 27... & Matt Barkley is not Landry Jones.

Landry Jones is clearly a more NFL caliber QB than Griffin. I'll end it with that. He's not in the discussion. Do you think Griffin puts up those #'s vs legit teams ? TCU, Stephen F. Austin & Rice ! Lmao

It's cool if you hold strong opinions and fancy yourself a good judge of prospective NFL talents but being a little more willing to acknowledge the limits of what you know would go a long way towards giving yourself some credibility.