Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[visionary]

The Middle East doesn't want more involvement from us.

Somewhat true, somewhat false.
Some places people beg us for help, other places they want us less involved.
Romney's speech had some good moments and some offbase ones.
People really need to stop treating the Middle East and the world with a one size fits all solution.
In my opinion Romney was right on Syria and a good portion of what he said about Libya, mostly wrong on Iran and annoying on Israel. I didn't hear what he said about Egypt, but I'll assume he was wrong on that, lol.
I doubt he mentioned Bahrain or Yemen, but I'm assuming his position on those is probably similar to Obama's, which most seem ok with for some reason.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I wonder if all this blowhard foreign policy talk that Romney fires out of his **** cannon is actually what he himself believes or if it is simply the fact that his advisers are mostly hawks from the W presidency.

(This is assuming that Romney actually has any real beliefs)

I dunno, i didn't really hear much difference between him and O in this approach.

I guess Romney has a better relationship with Bibi?

Both will continue to use drones at an alarming rate, both will continue to have the US involved in wars over the next decade.

[mistertim]

I wonder if all this blowhard foreign policy talk that Romney fires out of his **** cannon is actually what he himself believes or if it is simply the fact that his advisers are mostly hawks from the W presidency.

(This is assuming that Romney actually has any real beliefs)

[SkinsHokieFan]

I wonder if all this blowhard foreign policy talk that Romney fires out of his **** cannon is actually what he himself believes or if it is simply the fact that his advisers are mostly hawks from the W presidency.

(This is assuming that Romney actually has any real beliefs)

I dunno, i didn't really hear much difference between him and O in this approach.

I guess Romney has a better relationship with Bibi?

Both will continue to use drones at an alarming rate, both will continue to have the US involved in wars over the next decade.

[mistertim]

Dunno, Romney sounds pretty interested in starting new wars as well. Or his advisers do. Maybe its all just bluster and him trying to sound tough.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Dunno, Romney sounds pretty interested in starting new wars as well. Or his advisers do. Maybe its all just bluster and him trying to sound tough.

How many new wars are there to start? The Iran policy sounded very similar to the current policy, and neither candidate has indicated they would ramp down the drone wars.

[NLC1054]

How many new wars are there to start? The Iran policy sounded very similar to the current policy, and neither candidate has indicated they would ramp down the drone wars.

Romney actually did, in a round about way, imply that Obama's drone strategy wasn't good. But he did it in a way that implied he'd either use less drones and more ground troops, or the same amount of drones and more ground troops.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Romney actually did, in a round about way, imply that Obama's drone strategy wasn't good. But he did it in a way that implied he'd either use less drones and more ground troops, or the same amount of drones and more ground troops.

Which is why Romney's FP is foolish and leads the country along the same path that the Bush/Obama foreign policy since 9/11 has led us

[Corcaigh]

How many new wars are there to start?

Invasion of Dearborn is a candidate.

[twa]

Invasion of Dearborn is a candidate.

send in the UN.

[NLC1054]

Which is why Romney's FP is foolish and leads the country along the same path that the Bush/Obama foreign policy since 9/11 has led us

Whether you agree with the use of drones or not (I personally view it as the lesser of two evils, which isn't saying a whole hell of a lot when civilians get killed in drone strikes), just based off the two major foreign policy speeches the GOP has bothered putting out, I'd be far more scared of Romney than Obama.

It's not just starting new wars; it's that the GOP line is that we need a greater military presence in the Middle East. Meaning more on the ground troops. Romney doesn't want to cut military spending, and in fact wants to ramp our military spending back up, putting new troops on the ground in pretty much every Middle East country that's in relative turmoil.

I wish that we could slow the use of drones. But given the choice between active, on the ground troops in destablized parts of the world, a lot of whom don't want us to be there, and given the fact that it never seems to make **** better when we send in troops, and the use of military drones...

[SkinsHokieFan]

Romney's FP is spearheaded by imperialist Islamophobes and warhawks, I am not denying that at all.

To say though that it is much different from the current FP of this administration and the previous is wishful thinking.

Where the hell are we going to put ground troops? And I have posted dozens of articles the last 2 years about the negative impact drones are having on US relations and our image overseas. The best option is to disengage, which neither candidate wishes to do

[visionary]

putting new troops on the ground in pretty much every Middle East country that's in relative turmoil.

Romney's policy is flawed enough without people making ridiculous claims like this.

[Jumbo]

So in ConLand Obama is severely ****ing up by dragging feet in Afghanistan but should have continued the "no-not-nation-building-but-yes-nation-building" in Iraq and severely ****ed up pulled out troops per GWB & the Iraqi government. Get out of the place that did foster the 911 attack but stay in the one that "was for sure going to attack us sometime you betcha!" against their "now free" sovereign will and the agreements made and signed by the former (GOP) president. Now I know how they spin that, I just like to drop a start flag for a coupe folks here.

Romney may be tightening his grip on the sizable schizophrenic histrionic paranoid delusional narcissistic lying illogical irrational terminally hypocritical wing of his party.

Romney: US should be more assertive on world stage

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/...008/US.Romney/

Republican Mitt Romney said Monday the risk of conflict in the Middle East "is higher now" than it was when President Barack Obama took office. He proposed that the U.S. take a more assertive role in Syria and claimed Obama's withdrawal of troops from Iraq has jeopardized U.S. interests.

Declaring that "it's time to change course in the Middle East" and accusing Obama of "passivity," the Republican presidential nominee called for the U.S. to work with other countries to arm the Syrian rebels to help them defeat President Bashar Assad's "tanks, helicopters and fighter jets." Romney aides said he is not calling for the U.S. to directly arm the rebels, but said he would support helping other countries provide the opposition with enough weaponry to force Assad from power.

Romney said American gains in Iraq — won during the war started by President George W. Bush — have eroded. "America's ability to influence events for the better in Iraq has been undermined by the abrupt withdrawal of our entire troop presence," he said.

more at link

[Larry]

Romney may be tightening his grip on the sizable schizophrenic histrionic paranoid delusional narcissistic lying illogical irrational terminally hypocritical wing of his party.

Recall a line from Mark Russell. He was commenting on a then-current GOP Presidential candidate. A former Governor, I think, from Vermont. Russell observed that this person wasn't your typical politician, that he opposes the assault weapons ban, but favors gay marriage.

"Thus absolutely locking up his core constituency: gay hunters from Vermont."