Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Burgold]

Well, since you asked.

You wrote:


but could have wrote: " It might be....but that was just done in response to Spearfeather's post."

Ah, certainly would have been more political

I was hoping that your paraphrase would have corrected the political statement instead of excluding it so we could see how far off base I was

[Spearfeather]

Ah, certainly would have been more political

I was hoping that your paraphrase would have corrected the political statement instead of excluding it so we could see how far off base I was

I shouldn't have to exclude it, because it should never have been included in the first place.

[NoVaO]

Nope. You're right. I didn't watch and read about black voters with my own two eyes, saying they were voting for him BECAUSE he was black. Frankly, I don't care if some conservative pundit repeats that he saw the same thing. I don't watch any of the crap, and it's pretty presumptuous of you to assume I do. (Even after having to defend myself against the previously described bull**** almost daily.)

How many did you hear say that? 15? 20? 25? There were 8.5 million black people that voted in 2008. 90% of them voted for Obama because he's a Democrat. Obama did about 5 points better with black voters than a Democrat normally does. That is still a lot of extra people that voted for him (about 440,000 voters) but in the grand scheme of the election, it was nothing -- a drop in the bucket.

Also, is it completely unreasonable that black voters felt pride in voting for this country's first black President given the history they have in this country?

In addition, just because somebody says they are voting for Obama partly because of his race does not mean they wouldn't have voted Democratic if there was somebody white on the ballot. They've been voting Democratic for decades. They would have done the same thing in 2008.

[Burgold]

Now, you are just being silly. You inserted Obama several times into this thread. All with negative allusions.

But, we should stop this sidetrack anyway because we are subverting a thread that is supposed to be about Romney and not about your opinions of Obama or my interpretation of your opinion about Obama.

[Spearfeather]

Now, you are just being silly. You inserted Obama several times into this thread. All with negative allusions.

But, we should stop this sidetrack anyway because we are subverting a thread that is supposed to be about Romney and not about your opinions of Obama or my interpretation of your opinion about Obama.

I don't think I'm the one being silly Burgold. The fact is, I never said what you posted. The only person " sidetracking ", is you.

If Romney ends up being the nominee, then someone's opinion of Romney compared to Obama seems completely relevant to me.

[DeaconTheVillain]

[X] Discussions of retard pundits
[X] Claims of "show me where I said that"
[X] HH feels victimized
[. ] Got lastest info on Romney
[X] Larry underlines words

[No Excuses]

[X] Discussions of retard pundits
[X] Claims of "show me where I said that"
[X] HH feels victimized
[. ] Got lastest info on Romney
[X] Larry underlines words

If any one wants to kill time, they should go on Mitt Romney's facebook page. For someone who is supposed to be the leader of the pack in this group, his own base really dislikes him. Even then if he wins the nomination, it will be interesting to see if he can rally those who don't trust him to generate enough momentum to beat Obama.

[Larry]

Deleted post.

(But I still had to underline something.)

[mjah]

Romney is not in any way, shape, or form a conservative. And we've got a full year to make that perfectly clear. Bookmark it. Romney will NOT be the nominee.

"A full year?" The primaries begin in nine weeks, my friend.

Nine weeks!

Whoever it is who can take it from Romney, they'd better at least be IN the election by then.

So who will it be instead of Romney? Suggest a name. For Republican voters' sake, hopefully not anybody from the rest of the existing GOP candidate circus. Although I suppose Democrats would love that.

Nine weeks may seem like a political eternity, but Romney has weathered every flash-in-the-pan challenge so far without any crisis-level difficulty with GOP voters, and that process has already spanned far more than two months. He leads or co-leads polls for each of the most important early primaries/caucuses. This isn't the Democratic nomination where Clintons and Kerrys and Obamas rise from obscurity during the early primaries while Deans and Hillarys crash and burn. The GOP has a long and infrequently interrupted history of nominating the next guy in line. I've seen little to no evidence that it will change this time. Maybe you think, I dunno, Gingrich is that guy. I certainly don't.

There's a first time for everything, but to guarantee that the exception will occur this time? You'll be lucky to be correct. Personally, I give GOP voters enough credit to realize that their candidate must be, at a basic level, electable in the general. Right now Romney and Huntsman fit that general description. Can you name anyone else? They have 83 days to jump into the race!

It's better than voting for a skin color.

I didn't realize that a candidate could so easily garner votes just by being half-white.

Imagine how many votes Obama would have gotten, were he ALL white!

But your basic point would be a great lesson for my multiple racist card-carrying Republican neighbors, who by their own admission absolutely were voting against the guy whose skin pigment was darker than their own.

Direct quote: "The last thing we need is a n***** in the White House." Direct quote. And not just once.

I wonder which effect was bigger: whites' race-driven votes or blacks' race-driven votes. Let's see, holding the per capita rate of occurrence of racists per 1,000 people constant between the races, let's contrast the relative share of the Presidential vote between black and white voters... alright, carry the one... Oh, how fascinating! Yeah, that's about what I expected. Not that degree matters so much when we're talking about principle, of course.

But actually, in reality it does: Larry's example of voting for the party line (on both sides) eclipses either racial effect and therefore is the far more important issue. The degree absolutely does matter.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I just don't understand how someone could've voted for Obama (or wanted to vote for him) and then now be so totally opposed to him. He might be coming up short in some areas, but he hasn't done anything he didn't say he was going to do. Goes back to my belief that hardly anybody was listening to what the man actually was saying. Noticed it big time at his Inauguration. People were projecting like crazy.

[Larry]

I just don't understand how someone could've voted for Obama (or wanted to vote for him) and then now be so totally opposed to him. He might be coming up short in some areas, but he hasn't done anything he didn't say he was going to do. Goes back to my belief that hardly anybody was listening to what the man actually was saying. Noticed it big time at his Inauguration. People were projecting like crazy.

Agree with the prev posters. We should try to get back to Romney.

[twa]

better?

[DeaconTheVillain]

^^^

Now thats the kind of news I came in here looking for.

(very funny btw)

[visionary]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79T02R20111030

Cain, Romney in tight Republican race in Iowa: poll

Republican White House hopefuls Herman Cain and Mitt Romney are in a tight race in Iowa, which kicks off next year's presidential nominating contests, according to a closely watched opinion poll published on Saturday.

The poll conducted for The Des Moines Register showed Cain, a conservative businessman, with the support of 23 percent of Republicans surveyed. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, had 22 percent, and Texas Representative Ron Paul 12 percent in the race to challenge Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 2012 election.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who has stumbled in debates and on the campaign trail after a fast start, scored only 7 percent support.

The poll showed Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann fading after running neck and neck with Romney in the June Iowa poll. Bachmann dropped to 8 percent and fourth place in the new poll

Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, who has spent more time in Iowa than the other candidates and visited more than 70 of Iowa's 99 counties, received just 5 percent support in the poll. Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, who has lagged consistently behind his rivals, received 1 percent

[Prosperity]

The problem w/ Romney, from the GOP's perspective, is that no one likes him. Yes, he's still their best (i.e. only) shot at the Presidency, but it's still a slim shot. The GOP has no shot at the Presidency, but they do have a shot in the Senate. If they get some nutter running then they may be able to get a big showing at the polls, and maybe enough to win some Senate seats and take over Congress. If Romney gets the nod, the nutters stay home and the GOP loses its chance to take Congress.