Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[The Evil Genius]

Oh, I've noticed you're no Romney fan. Haven't said a good thing about him yet. The stuff you're listing could happen to hurt the President. Probably all of it needs to happen together for him to lose. I think a stronger candidate running against him could really roll with it. I still think there will be wave after wave of new and different information/questions about Romney's business morals, and his performance as Governor. I'm not sure what the guy is running on. I think a lot of the folks from the African-American community will come out again. 100% of those who did last time? I don't think so. I think Latino's will trend more away from Romney this year than they did with McCain.

Romney hasn't offered anything yet. Maybe that's the big splash coming.

Which is why Rubio would be a solid pick (even if it would be because the GOP is whoring for the Latino vote - no knock on Rubio though - as he seems competent).

Personally, I think the GOP needs another moderate on the ticket to appeal to any swing voters they can. Especially since the hardline vote is already sown up (they'll vote anti-Obama anways until they die).

That said, I'll probably watch and laugh as they try to redden Romney AND attach a uber conservative to his ticket. Maybe Rubio is that person - I still can't decide if he's a moderate or not.

[Buford]

I think Rubio will pass on an offer to make his own run in 16. But otherwise, that's fair.

Obama needed Biden for foreign policy chops. Where does Romney get his? Business?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I think Rubio will pass on an offer to make his own run in 16. But otherwise, that's fair.

Obama needed Biden for foreign policy chops. Where does Romney get his? Business?

Romney can see his off shore money from his house (on his computer screen).

[Buford]

Romney can see his off shore money from his house (on his computer screen).

I heard he visits it in person sometimes.

[Wrong Direction]

I think Rubio will pass on an offer to make his own run in 16. But otherwise, that's fair.

Obama needed Biden for foreign policy chops. Where does Romney get his? Business?

Lol. I've always been certain that Obama chose the white man from Scranton so he could attract more white men from Scranton types.

I think the question is whether Romney would offer to Rubio, rather than whether Rubio would accept. If he has designs on 2016, losing in 2012 wouldn't be bad for him. It would be Romney's fault and it would make him even more of a household name. I suspect Rubio would gladly accept.

I stated many many months ago that Romney/Rubio was where the smart money was in 2011. There have been a lot of signs pointing away from Rubio, but I'd still wager he's the pick. I don't think the Ohio governor could be picked because he's too linkable to Bush. I don't think Christie is the pick, but who knows? Jindal would make sense and Ayotte would make sense. The only other one is Pawlenty, IMO. That's my short list.

[Hersh]

Historically it's always upon the incumbent to prove himself, and not the challenger. Romney should, rightly, point to states like WI that have enacted "austerity" measures to great effect. Slam dunk.

Mistaken badly

First off the return of the auto industry helped and that assistance came from the federal government.
Second, Wisconsin took federal stimulus money separate from the auto industry loans.
Third, the Wisconsin unemployment rate was 9.2% in Jan. 2010 and was 7.7% when he took office in Jan. 2011. Nice downward trend he took over.
Fourth, Wisconsin's unemployment rate just went up after losing more jobs in June then any other state. 6.8 to 7%

DD called for traveling so the bucket doesn't count.

[Larry]

Historically it's always upon the incumbent to prove himself, and not the challenger. Romney should, rightly, point to states like WI that have enacted "austerity" measures to great effect, while the federal government carried them.

You left something out of your sentence.

---------- Post added July-23rd-2012 at 04:56 PM ----------

I think you have that exactly backwards. The challenger usually is the one who has to prove himself. Trends show people believe there is value to being an incumbent, in and of itself.

Tell that to Jimmy Carter.

---------- Post added July-23rd-2012 at 05:02 PM ----------

I think Rubio will pass on an offer to make his own run in 16. But otherwise, that's fair.

I would think just the opposite, if I were Rubio.

To me, running as Veep and losing makes me the "preseason favorite" to be the nominee in '16.

To me, only reason I might not want the job, is if I think Mitt might win.

[The Evil Genius]

Tell that to Jimmy Carter.

Romney is no Reagan or Clinton.

It takes a great orator and/or someone who can inspire the electorate on the opposite side of the aisle to unseat an incumbent.

Rapid inflation doesn't hurt either.

[NoVaO]

I think Romney is really doing pretty well considering, he has been pummelled in the press for a few weeks now and the latest poll has him at 45-43 beating Obama. After all the bad press and attack ads he is leading by a slim margin.

Is that a Rasmussen poll? It's not a credible poll. He's using a more Republican electorate than what turned out in 2010. In addition, he has Obama at 49% approval rating, and getting just 43% of the vote. How is that credible?

---------- Post added July-23rd-2012 at 05:58 PM ----------

That worked out well with W.

Given, Mitt is a better businessman than W, but W was a "businessman" before he became governor of Texas.

Worked out well with Herbert Hoover, too.

---------- Post added July-23rd-2012 at 06:01 PM ----------

True enough. If I was the Romney camp I'd just use Europe as a cautionary tale against Obama. "You want that kind of future?" There are a thousand ways for Romney to yet address Obama and turn things back on him. I just keep thinking how much time we still have till Nov and it seems like forever. This board is particularly engaged politically but at large it's true most people don't latch upon the election for another couple months at least.

Romney does it all the time, as do Republicans in general. But it's a poor argument to make because Europe is a singular body. Some countries are doing quite well (the Nordic countries, Germany) and others are doing poor. Greece has always been a huge mess. Spain was hit by the housing bust.

Also, Europe is undergoing austerity and their economy is suffering for it. The same thing will happen here if Republicans impose austerity at a time when the economy is so fragile.

[Predicto]

Is that a Rasmussen poll? It's not a credible poll. He's using a more Republican electorate than what turned out in 2010. In addition, he has Obama at 49% approval rating, and getting just 43% of the vote. How is that credible?[COLOR="Gold"]

Actually I think it was New York Times/CBS poll too. Those may be slight outliers, but the national race really is quite close in total votes. Obama's support in some conservative southern and plains states may be below 25 percent.

[#BgMase76#]

You gotta live in Florida or understand MIA to know that the Rubio way is a farce. Rubio is Cuban. The Latino vote is too diverse to give him that much clout. Mexicans from Cali aren't the same as a Texan Mexican. Now that's just talking people of Mexican background. You still Dominican, Puerto Rican, El Salvadorian, and so on and so on.

[Predicto]

You gotta live in Florida or understand MIA to know that the Rubio way is a farce. Rubio is Cuban. The Latino vote is too diverse to give him that much clout. Mexicans from Cali aren't the same as a Texan Mexican. Now that's just talking people of Mexican background. You still Dominican, Puerto Rican, El Salvadorian, and so on and so on.

I have a friend who is of Mexican descent, and he once said that a lot of Hispanics kind of resent the Cubans, because all the Cubans got to come to America and completely bypass the immigration barrier and heard :"Welcome! Enjoy the American dream." Meanwhile, the rest of the Hispanics had to claw their way in if they could get in at all.

I don't know if this would carry over in voting patterns or not, but there certainly is a reason that Cuban-Americans are overwhelmingly Republican and other Hispanic Americans are not. So Rubio may or may not appeal to them on an emotional level - I really don't know.

[deejaydana]

I found this quote instructive/entertaining:

"Latinos are Republican. They just don't know it yet."
Ronald Reagan

[twa]

Mexicans from Cali aren't the same as a Texan Mexican.

Yep, even our Mexicans are better

Hispanics are certainly diverse and as subject to bias as any

[Predicto]

I found this quote instructive/entertaining:

"Latinos are Republican. They just don't know it yet."
Ronald Reagan

I think there is some truth to this. Many certainly lean toward social conservatism. Unfortunately, the GOP has spent the last couple of decades since Ronald Reagan left office doing their damnedest to make Latinos feel as unwelcome as possible, and as long as the Tea Party remains a powerful force, that is unlikely to change. Once it does change, it's probably going to take some more time to overcome that history.