Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[RedskinsFan44]

I think we could cut 90 percent of our military budget and be the preeminent military power on earth for the next 100 years. Neither party has the balls to do it

No nation comes close to what we spend.

True

Edit: Ehh, maybe not 90%, but certainly 50%. But I still contend that a manufacturing base is important.

[NLC1054]

We have no antiwar candidate from either party, no sensible drug policy candidate, no civil liberties candidate, and no candidate who wants to hold banksters accountable.

The only person in this cycle who was all of the above was mocked for being an old kook

Oooooohhhh, you're a Ron Paul guy! Now I get it.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Oooooohhhh, you're a Ron Paul guy! Now I get it.

I am a truth guy. Obama and Romney represent the antithesis of truth.

[NLC1054]

I am a truth guy. Obama and Romney represent the antithesis of truth.

For what it's worth I though the Ron Paul people should've been allowed to have their voice at the RNC, but you know...politics.

[SkinsHokieFan]

For what it's worth I though the Ron Paul people should've been allowed to have their voice at the RNC, but you know...politics.

It didn't concern me, these things are scripts. Paul has his own flaws which are fairly significant. So I no longer like to say I am a Paul guy, but more so a real change and ideas guy.

Obama 1 was Bush's 3rd term. I shudder to think what term 2 will bring. Romney will be more of the same.

[Jumbo]

Obama hasn't achieved grand success throughout his life? What precisely is your definition of success? You should study Obama's biography and contrast that to Romney's biography, especially advantages growing up.

I have always thought the "Obama has never been a success" theme was pretty silly. How is going from humble beginnings to being successful at Harvard Law and becoming president of the United States not being successful, whatever you think of his administration. Wow.

I can imagine being on a trip and telling some merchant in Spain, "Oh, our president? He's never been a success." Dude would be like "whaaaaattt?"

I won't count the fact that "family values" wise, he's been a successful husband and father.

SHF, I agree with you, again. Right now, I'll write in someone.

[Renegade7]

It didn't concern me, these things are scripts. Paul has his own flaws which are fairly significant. So I no longer like to say I am a Paul guy, but more so a real change and ideas guy.

Obama 1 was Bush's 3rd term. I shudder to think what term 2 will bring. Romney will be more of the same.

Oaky, so you've basicaly lost faith in the whole damn thing. That makes more sense...

[SkinsHokieFan]

Oaky, so you've basicaly lost faith in the whole damn thing. That makes more sense...

I simply don't see how anyone, besides some strange perverse "go team" mentality, has any faith in either candidate. It is a laughable show put on by the biggest banks and corporations in the world who have donated heavily to both campaigns

[Jumbo]

Oooooohhhh, you're a Ron Paul guy! Now I get it.

Actually, what he is and has been for a long time, is an extremely smart and accomplished guy who has never stopped exploring situations intelligently and has never just lined up to pigeonhole himself into any one party for eternity. You should cool your jets, sometimes, hotshot. You're a smart guy too, and a quick learner, but you overshoot the runway often enough with your "energy" .

[SkinsHokieFan]

Actually, what he is and has been for a long time, is an extremely smart and accomplished guy who has never stopped exploring situations intelligently and has never just lined up to pigeonhole himself into any one party for eternity..

Appreciate the compliment big J. My evolution (along with Snydershrugged's) from where we were mid last decade to today is fascinating and interesting to look back on.

Really the facts don't lie. We have been hoodwinked as a nation

[Renegade7]

I simply don't see how anyone, besides some strange perverse "go team" mentality, has any faith in either candidate. It is a laughable show put on by the biggest banks and corporations in the world who have donated heavily to both campaigns

Well, what do you do if you know one of these two guys is going to be president? I say learn their plans and pick one, because if you don't it will be picked for you...

Edit: I don't like that Obama has wall street gusy in his cabinet, but I whole-heartedly feel Romney is going to give these big businesses anything they want. Not down with that at all...

[Heisenberg]

Sure, so lead. The President has the ultimate bully pulpit.

Clinton used it to his advantage in 1995 during 2 shutdowns. Rope a doped Gingrich and the R Congress (which was totally controlled by R's, both House and Senate)

President Obama hasn't come close to leading. Its not his style.

I usually enjoy reading your perspective even when I disagree with you, but you can't be serious with this.

Did Clinton enter office with the opposing party publicly stating that their only goal over the next 4 years was to make sure he failed? The R's on the hill have cared more about that objective than actually doing anything to help the country. It's a complete joke.

[NLC1054]

I simply don't see how anyone, besides some strange perverse "go team" mentality, has any faith in either candidate. It is a laughable show put on by the biggest banks and corporations in the world who have donated heavily to both campaigns

Because some of us are less cynical than others?

I don't agree with everything Barack Obama does. To be frank, I think anyone who agrees with EVERYTHING he does is exhibiting blind faith and needs to be more well read. What I do, is I trust him to do the right thing MOST of the time. Obama is not some saint. But I'm not going to be pissed because he didn't do everything he wanted to in the first four years (what President does) and ignoring the things he has done, which, most of the time, I personally feel, have been the right things. I know how we got to where we are, and Obama is the closest to my view of how we're going to get out of where we are. And hopefully he has a change of heart on some of the dumb **** he's done in the past.

I don't think cynicism breeds change any more than blind faith does. Cynicism gives people an excuse not to participate because they think nothing will ever change so why bother.

[Jumbo]

Oaky, so you've basicaly lost faith in the whole damn thing. That makes more sense...

For some of us, the loss of faith is more sporadic and temporary than a lifestyle. We don't lose all hope and just cave to cynicism, completely.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I usually enjoy reading your perspective even when I disagree with you, but you can't be serious with this.

Did Clinton enter office with the opposing party publicly stating that their only goal over the next 4 years was to make sure he failed? The R's on the hill have cared more about that objective than actually doing anything to help the country. It's a complete joke.

Clinton had a very similar set of circumstances in his first term.

Overwhelming majorities. Big mid term loss. A new House speaker who was very cocky and attempting to run the country from the Speaker's Chair.

He kicked Newt's ass, a far more worthy adversary in 1995 then Boehner/Cantor have been in 2010. The latter are fools