Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Burgold]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain he paid more than he could have for appearances sake. Had he taken his maximum deductions I've read that he could have paid as little as 9%.

How would that look to the general public he's trying to get to vote for him? More, with the Dems pounding on the fact that he wants to produce more tax cuts for his tax bracket... how would that effect the perception of fairness that the independents and conservative Dems he needs to win?

He decided people could deal with that number because that is the number they had already digested. If the reality was actually much lower, people would have looked askance.

Is that fair or right, probably not. As Romney correctly said most of us try to pay as little in tax as possible. The fact that he felt the need to somewhat artificially inflate his number is actually significant.

[Hubbs]

I would like to reiterate what a political idiot this guy is. Why not stick with the 2010 and 2011 and the rest is none of your business. Releasing the summary validates a whole lot of questions Questions I think are valid anyway due to the nature of the Republicans claim that the economy is suffering because job creators are overburdened with exorbitant taxes.

It's amazing that a guy who's so bad at being a politician chose it as his profession.

[Rdskns2000]

It's amazing that a guy who's so bad at being a politician chose it as his profession.

It's probably a combo of 2 things. One, a Mormon thing' where Mormoms feel they must have people in the institutions of power. Read something about that.

The other thing, he's trying to prove to his dad's memory that he can go further than his dad did. You don't think trying to carry the father's legacy is a reason; I give you George W Bush.

[Jumbo]

Could be its own thread, I guess, but I wasn't interested. If someone else wants to do it, fine.


Why Did Tim Pawlenty Quit Romney Campaign for New Lobbying Job?

http://news.yahoo.com/why-did-tim-pa...185300391.html

Former conservative presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty is taking over as the CEO of the Financial Services Roundtable. The organization serves as a lobbying group for the banking and financial services industry. Pawlenty resigned as co-chair from Mitt Romney's campaign to take his new job, which begins Nov. 1. His new job in the private sector involves recovering the reputation of Wall Street following the recent economic recession.

What is Pawlenty's new job with the organization?

The former governor of Minnesota is the incoming president and CEO. Pawlenty takes over for long-time CEO Steve Bartlett who is retiring. The new CEO is the chief lobbyist of the Financial Services Roundtable, a group that represents 100 financial services corporations to lawmakers in Washington.

[skinsmarydu]

It's probably a combo of 2 things. One, a Mormon thing' where Mormoms feel they must have people in the institutions of power. Read something about that.

The other thing, he's trying to prove to his dad's memory that he can go further than his dad did. You don't think trying to carry the father's legacy is a reason; I give you George W Bush.

Someone in my work circle asked the question "Why does he even wanna be President, if he doesn't have any real plans?" I replied, "Cuz his dad didn't make it." Glad to know I'm not the only person thinking this way.

[twa]

Jumbo, It is a pretty sweet job from what I understand....consolation prize?

[chipwhich]

It's still funny to me people are up in arms over taxes.

As I posted in my tax thread, taxation isn't a guarantee that government revenues will rise.

It also solves no problems.

The uber rich ALWAYS avoid taxes, they have the means to do so. The middle class rich who aren't really rich in my mind (rich being the ability to just quit work and go surfing) are the ones who get punished.

The uber rich always find a means to skip the fun of writing the IRS a check. Loophole after loophole. Income from investments, business write-offs, etc.

I wish we could get off the taxation merry go round and talk about real issues.

Here is a secret, if Obama get's re-elected and gets rid of the Bush tax cuts, Romney and the uber rich wont be paying more in taxes. But guys like Warren Buffet will politicize the tax issue and act like they wouldn't mind a tax hike, while following the loopholes and getting richer

[Jumbo]

Jumbo, It is a pretty sweet job from what I understand....consolation prize?

It's an awesome job and a win for FSR no matter who takes the election. Pawlenty shows puh-lenty of smarts taking that route.

[Hersh]

It's still funny to me people are up in arms over taxes.

As I posted in my tax thread, taxation isn't a guarantee that government revenues will rise.

It also solves no problems.

The uber rich ALWAYS avoid taxes, they have the means to do so. The middle class rich who aren't really rich in my mind (rich being the ability to just quit work and go surfing) are the ones who get punished.

The uber rich always find a means to skip the fun of writing the IRS a check. Loophole after loophole. Income from investments, business write-offs, etc.

I wish we could get off the taxation merry go round and talk about real issues.

Here is a secret, if Obama get's re-elected and gets rid of the Bush tax cuts, Romney and the uber rich wont be paying more in taxes. But guys like Warren Buffet will politicize the tax issue and act like they wouldn't mind a tax hike, while following the loopholes and getting richer

Taxation is a big issue cause Romney is a bumbling idiot. However, I'm happy to switch topics now.

Florida politicians help Ryan woe Hispanics

MIAMI -- Paul Ryan made a direct appeal to the large Hispanic population in south Florida on Saturday morning as he spoke inside the popular Versailles Restaurant with several prominent Florida politicians.

“I learned from these friends, from Mario, from Lincoln, from Ileana, just how brutal the Castro regime is, just how this president's policy of appeasement is not working,” Ryan said standing next to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and the chairwoman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla.

Ryan vowed to the crowd, which sang “God Bless America” upon the congressman’s arrival: “In a Mitt Romney administration, we will not keep practicing this policy of appeasement; we will be tough on this brutal dictator; all it has done is rewarded more despotism … we will help those pro-democracy groups. We will be tough on Castro, tough on Chavez. And it’s because we know that's the right policy for our country."

We will be tough on Castro?? Appeasement?? Paul Ryan is not ready for prime time or he's letting the Romney campaign ruin him. What does he think the US should do in regards to Castro, put in place sanctions and an embargo? Perhaps he is advocating we invade Cuba. That might work in getting rid of him.

One of my disappoints in Obama and the democrats is that they didn't move to lift the embargo against Cuba. It's long overdue that we move on from Cuba as any kind of issue in politics and foreign policy.

[Larry]

We will be tough on Castro?? Appeasement?? Paul Ryan is not ready for prime time or he's letting the Romney campaign ruin him. What does he think the US should do in regards to Castro, put in place sanctions and an embargo? Perhaps he is advocating we invade Cuba. That might work in getting rid of him.

One of my disappoints in Obama and the democrats is that they didn't move to lift the embargo against Cuba. It's long overdue that we move on from Cuba as any kind of issue in politics and foreign policy.

Hey. He was standing in front of the only Hispanics in America who vote Republican (Cubans), telling them all of the untrue Republican sound bites that they love to hear.

Kind of on-topic:

I keep remembering something Mark Russel did, decades ago. Reagan had just announced that "He believes in State's Rights". And he was being attacked by the Democrats, who were claiming that "state's rights" had been a "code word" for racism and segregation for 100 years.

Mark Russel did a whole routine in which he claimed to be telling the audience what all of the political "code words" actually meant.

I only thought one of them was funny. But that one, I thought was so good that it's stuck in my head for decades.

Whenever a politician says "I support a strong national defense, beginning with the maintenance and operation of a global, four-ocean navy", what he's really saying is either "Gee, it's great to be here in Norfolk", or "Gee, it's great to be here in San Diego".

[NLC1054]

It's still funny to me people are up in arms over taxes.

The only reason it's even an issue is because Mitt Romney won't release his returns. If he had released his returns when this whole thing became an issue there would have been some amount of time to do damage control about it. The longer he doesn't release anything the more people can kill him on the issue, whether you personally feel it matters or not.

You know what? What the **** is an issue to the right anymore?

I keep seeing that more or less anything bad that happens to Romney is just a "distraction". "We should be talking about reducing the debt and the deficit and jobs jobs jobs!". Then when you mention how little Romney has articulated about how he plans to fix that problem and what little he has mentioned doesn't seem like it do any of those three things then all of the sudden it's not about Romney it's about Obama.

[thebluefood]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...moderate-mitt/

The benefits for Romney of moving to the middle (in tone if not also in policy) are obvious:

1. To the extent that there are any undecideds left in the race — and there may be 5 percent or so of people who genuinely haven’t made up their minds — casting yourself as a pragmatic, solution-focused businessman is much more appealing to those folks than giving off the image of an uncompromising ideologue.

2. Romney is tonally a moderate. While he — like virtually every politician who has managed to rise to such a high level — has been required to adjust some of his policy positions to suit the party base, Romney’s natural inclination is to be the problem-solver in the room, not the partisan warrior. And, the more a politician can be publicly who they actually are at their core, the better chance they have of winning. George W. Bush and Barack Obama are both examples of politicians who were comfortable in their own skin — publicly and privately — and who parlayed the power of being themselves into electoral success.

[LadySkinsFan]

The headline reads the following: "Mitt Romney paid for son's surrogate 'abortion contract', right to kill fetus" but I didn't read where Mitt paid for the contract.

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt...-to-kill-fetus

However, apparently there was a contract giving Tagg the right to abort the fetus under certain conditions. "In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

So I guess the right to abort a fetus is only conveyed by contract, according the Romney contract. Or so it would seem. Kinda goes against Mitt's position.

So if one is rich enough to engage in a surrogacy contract, these are the only people allowed to have the right to abortion.

Wonder what Santorum thinks about this?

[Larry]

Wonder what Santorum thinks about this?

He thinks "Why couldn't I have dug this up six months ago?"

[twa]

Kinda deceptive piece, the contract(for the second child) granted both the surrogate mother and his son the right to abort

Which of course the surrogate had already.......Equal under the law for a change?