Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[LadySkinsFan]

The surrogate only agreed to comply with the parents' wishes; if they wanted to abort the fetus, then the surrogate agreed to abortion, if the parents didn't want to abort, the surrogate could NOT abort. That's what the clause reads.

[twa]

The surrogate only agreed to comply with the parents' wishes; if they wanted to abort the fetus, then the surrogate agreed to abortion, if the parents didn't want to abort, the surrogate could NOT abort. That's what the clause reads.

The clause I read gave both the right...standard clause
Feel free to quote the clause itself

[Unforgiven]

TMZ are the ones who broke the story, the following is a quote from their original story:

Paragraph 13 of the agreement reads as follows:

"If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate."

Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn't in danger. All the surrogate has to show is "potential physical harm," which could be something like preeclampsia -- a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother's liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.

Paragraph 13 goes on:

"In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

And there's another relevant provision in Paragraph 13:

"Any decision to abort because of potential harm to the child, or to reduce the number of fetuses, is to be made by the intended parents."

Translation: Tagg and his wife, Jen, had the right to abort the fetuses if they felt they would not be healthy.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/20/mitt-r...#ixzz27LGVG3VY

[Hersh]

So Romney just advocated Obama's exact leadership style on 60 minutes. He said he would lay out his principles to congress but would not give them an exact bill.

It's actually not a leadership style I particularly like about Obama.

[twa]

So Romney just advocated Obama's exact leadership style on 60 minutes. He said he would lay out his principles to congress but would not give them an exact bill.

It's actually not a leadership style I particularly like about Obama.

I agree..... though I do think he will lay it out better
They both suck

[AsburySkinsFan]

TMZ are the ones who broke the story, the following is a quote from their original story:

Paragraph 13 of the agreement reads as follows:

"If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate."

Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn't in danger. All the surrogate has to show is "potential physical harm," which could be something like preeclampsia -- a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother's liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.

Paragraph 13 goes on:

"In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

And there's another relevant provision in Paragraph 13:

"Any decision to abort because of potential harm to the child, or to reduce the number of fetuses, is to be made by the intended parents."

Translation: Tagg and his wife, Jen, had the right to abort the fetuses if they felt they would not be healthy.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/20/mitt-r...#ixzz27LGVG3VY

So Mitt's Pro-Life stance is intact.

[Larry]

So Romney just advocated Obama's exact leadership style on 60 minutes. He said he would lay out his principles to congress but would not give them an exact bill.

It's actually not a leadership style I particularly like about Obama.

Agreed. I think the President should lay out a full proposal.

I think it should be clear that it's a proposal. A starting point.

But I think that doing it that way, actually helps the debate. (And I think that that's one of the real, if rather covert, powers of the Presidency.)

By doing things that way, the President's proposal becomes the yardstick which all other proposals are measured against.

I think that's perhaps the biggest power the President has: The ability to pick where the debate will take place, so to speak. He makes a proposal, and his proposal is compared to a blank piece of paper. Everybody else's proposal is compared against the President's.

[MissU28]

via Craig Melvin's facebook (MSNBC anchor):

Mitt Romney should have done 60 Minutes 3 months ago. This is the most specificity I've heard from the governor since he launched his campaign. He laid out details on Medicare reform, his plans for cutting tax rates and spending (minus details on limiting loopholes), and how he'd treat Egypt differently. Now, the President.

Didn't watch 60 minutes, but I guess those of you complaining about his lack of detailed plans should watch?

[Hersh]

via Craig Melvin's facebook (MSNBC anchor):
Didn't watch 60 minutes, but I guess those of you complaining about his lack of detailed plans should watch?

Nope, no specifics about anything. He's mentioned means testing before. No tax specifics of how his tax cuts will be net neutral revenue. When talking about cutting government and balancing the budget he said he would get rid of Obamacare which he claims would cost $100 billion a year. (so far obamacare reduces the deficit according to the CBO so that may be fact checked). He also said he would review every government program and ask whether it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it. No specifics beyond that. Pretty low bar if that meets Romney being specific.

Oh, I have to double check but he may have said that Medicaid would become the responsibility of the states. Not sure.

[NLC1054]

via Craig Melvin's facebook (MSNBC anchor):



Didn't watch 60 minutes, but I guess those of you complaining about his lack of detailed plans should watch?

I watched.

I have to re-watch, but some of the things he said didn't seem to add up...

---------- Post added September-23rd-2012 at 09:27 PM ----------

Oh, I have to double check but he may have said that Medicaid would become the responsibility of the states. Not sure.

Yes, he definitely said that Medicaid would become the responsibility of the states.

[zoony]

Elect me to find out which loopholes I'll close! Step right up, step right up!! (carnival music playing in background)

[twa]

Yes, he definitely said that Medicaid would become the responsibility of the states.

Block grants I assume?

[Larry]

Yes, he definitely said that Medicaid would become the responsibility of the states.

Well, it already is, but with a whole bunch of federal requirements.

I assume that what he means is, he wants block grants.

[Hersh]

Block grants I assume?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...naround-needed

“Medicaid is a program that's designed to help the poor. Likewise, we have housing vouchers and food stamps, and these help the poor. I'd take the dollars for those programs, send them back to the states, and say, ‘You craft your programs at your state level and the way you think best to deal with those that need that kind of help in your state,’” Romney said.

“I grow them only at the rate of inflation, or in the case of Medicaid, at inflation plus one percent, that's a lower rate of growth than we've seen over the past several years, a lower rate of growth than has been forecast under federal management.”

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.politicususa.com/wheels-f...ans-48-41.html

The Wheels Fall Off for Romney as Obama Leads with NASCAR Fans, 48%-41%


According to a new Zogby Poll the wheels are close to coming off the Romney campaign. President Obama leads Mitt Romney among NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

The Zogby poll revealed that President Obama has a seven point lead over Mitt Romney among likely voters, 48%-41%, and even larger nine point lead when all candidates are included, 49%-40%. The real shocker is that the poll found the president doing very well with some traditionally thought of Republican voting blocs.

Obama leads in almost every region of the country, and only trailed Romney by six points in the South, 41%-47%. Among voters who shop at Wal-Mart on a weekly basis, Romney’s lead is within the poll’s 3.4% margin of error, 45%-42%. Obama leads with voters who are or who have a family member in the military, 54%-39%. Most surprisingly, Obama only trails Romney by seven points with those who consider themselves born again Christians, 40%-47%. The president also leads with NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

Romney’s problems with NASCAR fans could go back to when he mocked them while attending the Daytona 500 this year. The New York Times reported Romney’s Daytona experience in the most classic of ways, “But the crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. ‘I like those fancy raincoats you bought,’ he said. ‘Really sprung for the big bucks.’ And when asked if he was a fan of the sport, he mentioned that ‘I have some great friends who are Nascar team owners.’”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogb...-voters-at-52/