Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[visionary]

Y funny?

Because they already are coming back.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Because they already are coming back.

I guess knowing when he was asked the question would have helped.

[Zhouse]

Romney has really made the mistake of aligning himself to mainstream conservative republican rhetoric. He didn't seem to have that early on the primary. Maybe it seemed that way because of the other extreme candidates.

Argument like "Obamacare is really Exhibit No. 1 of the president's political philosophy, and that is that government knows better than people how to run your lives," should be left to Glenn Beck.

The election will come down to who can get the undecided voters...Romney is doing a great job at cornering himself with the conservative crowd. The problem is: he doesn't believe half the thing he says and they got stuck with Romney.

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

Dick Morris: 'If the Election Were Held Today Romney Would Win'
Dick Morris confidently predicted on Hannity that Mitt Romney would win the election and, barring any debate meltdowns, by a comfortable margin of "4 or 5 points", and that he'd also win Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sean Hannity guffawed some but Morris kept on, insisting the public polling done this year was heavily skewed in Obama's favor and that it couldn't be trusted (except for Rasmussen, and a few others of course).
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...held-today-rom

I don't think so . . . Dick.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Dick Morris: 'If the Election Were Held Today Romney Would Win'
Dick Morris confidently predicted on Hannity that Mitt Romney would win the election and, barring any debate meltdowns, by a comfortable margin of "4 or 5 points", and that he'd also win Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Sean Hannity guffawed some but Morris kept on, insisting the public polling done this year was heavily skewed in Obama's favor and that it couldn't be trusted (except for Rasmussen, and a few others of course).
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...held-today-rom

I don't think so . . . Dick.

Wait.....has anyone ever seen Dick Morris and twa in a room at the same time?

[Toe Jam]

The Romney campaign is already conceding the first debate to Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-expectations/

[AsburySkinsFan]

The Romney campaign is already conceding the first debate to Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-expectations/

Same thing hey did with Palin, lower the bar so far that as long as he doesn't stand there drooling on himself it'll be seen as a win.

[Zhouse]

The Romney campaign is already conceding the first debate to Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-expectations/

So what's going to change after the first debate?

[visionary]

I guess knowing when he was asked the question would have helped.

It was a live tweet from today by a reporter at Romney's event.
I though it was amusing.
No big deal, I just thought it added to the idea of him being out of touch.

[twa]

Wait.....has anyone ever seen Dick Morris and twa in a room at the same time?

He advised Clinton, I would never advise Clinton.

He is largely correct about the polls,but I doubt Philly at the moment.
http://datechguyblog.com/2012/09/26/...ably-unlikely/
How do you reconcile +9 point Obama leads if Romney leads with BOTH independents & Republicans? And do you REALLY believe that Obama is doing better among democrats than Romney is among republicans by enough to make up for that difference. Do you REALLY?

John Nolte puts it best:

Florida:

In 2004 the vote was R+4.
In 2008 the vote was D+3
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.

Ohio:
In 2004 the vote was R+5
In 2008 the vote was D+8
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9

Pennsylvania:

In 2010 the vote was D+3
In 2008 the vote was D+7
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.

Again, why won’t the media report the dramatic news that Democrats are expected to turnout in record numbers against Republicans?

Because the media doesn’t believe it.

This isn’t reporting, this is propaganda and frankly after Romney wins should be treated as an in-kind contribution to the DNC, these are also not the tactics of a side that is winning.

[HBnotBlades]

From what I've read, pollsters aren't predicting the number of voters that say they are democrats, the numbers themselves are rising in their polls they are taking. The simple fact seems to be that there are more people defining themselves as democrats now than 4 years ago, and the polls are backing up those numbers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...in;contentBody

"We do not weight for party ID," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, which is conducting battleground state polls along with CBS News and the New York Times. "We do not predetermine how many Democrats, Republicans and independents will be in our sample."

The reason, he says, is that "party ID is a changing statistic. People will over time change back and forth in terms of how they view themselves politically."

Instead, Brown says the polls are weighted by "immutable characteristics - race, gender, age." Respondents are then asked their party identification during the interviews.

"We do that because there is a set standard that we can compare ourselves with to make sure we're getting an accurate demographic representative. And that standard is the United States Census Bureau data," said Brown. "What we get is what we get," he added.

Moreover, some pollsters argue that using the 2008 turnout numbers to draw conclusions, as Gillespie and others have done, ignores the fact that state demographics are likely to change over a period of four years.

In an interview with CBSNews.com, Miringoff pointed to the fact that "there are a lot more Latino voters this year than there were four years ago. Exit polls from four years ago aren't going to pick up that change." Similarly, he argues, 2004 exit polls wouldn't have suggested that Mr. Obama could compete in traditionally Republican-friendly states like North Carolina and Virginia - but he won both in 2008.

[mistertim]

So what's going to change after the first debate?

Romney's batteries finally get changed?

But seriously, every single election both sides try to play down expectations, though it is more often the side with the less talented politician. They want to be able to frame it so that their guy is seen as coming out ok as long as he at least seems competent against the other "heavyweight" debater. It can almost give them an underdog vibe.

[Larry]

I also think that part of it is the Political Wisdom that nobody wins Presidential Debates, but that it's possible to lose one.

And that, frankly, if you say one thing that, taken out of the whole debate, makes you look bad, then you lost.

[AsburySkinsFan]

twa you said all this wame crap four years ago, you were wrong then too. BTW, I'm still not convinced you're not Dick Morris.

[RedskinsFan44]

He advised Clinton, I would never advise Clinton.

He is largely correct about the polls,but I doubt Philly at the moment.
http://datechguyblog.com/2012/09/26/...ably-unlikely/
How do you reconcile +9 point Obama leads if Romney leads with BOTH independents & Republicans? And do you REALLY believe that Obama is doing better among democrats than Romney is among republicans by enough to make up for that difference. Do you REALLY?

John Nolte puts it best:

Florida:

In 2004 the vote was R+4.
In 2008 the vote was D+3
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.

Ohio:
In 2004 the vote was R+5
In 2008 the vote was D+8
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9

Pennsylvania:

In 2010 the vote was D+3
In 2008 the vote was D+7
CBS/NYTs is reporting that in 2012 we will see D+9.

Again, why won’t the media report the dramatic news that Democrats are expected to turnout in record numbers against Republicans?

Because the media doesn’t believe it.

This isn’t reporting, this is propaganda and frankly after Romney wins should be treated as an in-kind contribution to the DNC, these are also not the tactics of a side that is winning.

Put up the actual breakdown of R D I Other for each year. I bet the number of Democrats are stable. Vegas is paying 3:1 TWA, I can't believe you aren't investing in an easy 40 day 200% return

et tu, Fox ?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...r-free-speech/