Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[RedskinsFan44]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ss-136983.html

“This criticism of the polls is craziness. I actually did some research on this today, which is more than you’ve done,” Wallace shot back. "No self-respecting pollster in the country -- including Fox, I might add -- [weighs according to political party]."

[GSF]

Relevant to earn a number of posts in this thread earlier...of course they thought Stench was as well ....we are easily amused

speaking of amusing...

Translation for those who don't speak TWA:

What? Noone's buying this either? Here, let me quickly change the subject...

[twa]

is your quote missing this for some reason?

"to even out party identification."

If Wallace thinks weighing is uncommon his research sucks

[GSF]

Forget the conspiracy theories. Here's all you need to know about Ohio right now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1860.html

---------- Post added September-29th-2012 at 03:53 AM ----------

Let me just add this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49220641

[AsburySkinsFan]

I suspect that there were people in the crowd chanting both "Romney" and "Ryan". Depending on where the mike was you might hear more of one or the other. As was mentioned previously, it would be perfectly logical for people in the crowd to be chanting "Ryan"right after Romney says" How about that guy!" The comedy in the video is in what an amazing example of an awkward white guy Romney is (I am one myself). It really does not matter whose name was being chanted, although I guess the douche factor is greater if it was only "Ryan".

I think the right wing guys are showing some signs of the stress associated with the realization they are losing an election they regarded as a sure thing. The conspiracy theories with regards to the polling data are particularly telling. That said, there may be something here, but I doubt Scarborough was in on it if it occurred.

I listened to the video with my eyes closed over and over, it's an audible rorschach, anyone who thinks it is difinitive is silly, which just makes the claims of a doctored tape absurd.

---------- Post added September-29th-2012 at 12:44 AM ----------

is your quote missing this for some reason?

"to even out party identification."

If Wallace thinks weighing is uncommon his research sucks

Why the heck would you even out party identification? What a rediculous notion. If there are more people identifying as Democrats then there are more people, you don't do an even split order to make the numbers more favorable to the minority. The majority is the majority, and as the graph you yourself posted yesterday, more people self identify as Democrat. To say he numbers should be even is to say, "no fair, there are more of them than us, we should get more votes."

But hey, way to try and take the attention off the candidate that no one really likes, who has flipped on every major issue, and who is blowing what was supposed to be the easy election to win.

[twa]

I'm glad you agree making it even by party ID is wrong, but what would be the proper ratio?....should it be judged/weighted from previous exit polls ?
most adjust for a number of things that relate to party voting patterns (age,sex,race ect)

The tape is not definitive yet MSNBC clearly labeled it as Ryan,Ryan chants?
fwiw I agree,I can't hear anything distictive(course I'm a bit deaf)

Of course there is the NYT reporter that reported it as Romney, Romney....but they are notoriously unreliable

[AsburySkinsFan]

I'm glad you agree making it even by party ID is wrong, but what would be the proper ratio?....should it be judged/weighted from previous exit polls ?
most adjust for a number of things that relate to party voting patterns (age,sex,race ect)

No idea how it should be weighted, all I know is if they are truly random sampling then the satistics will show themselves true in the big picture, as they do when we look at multiple polls. The complainers on the Right about having too many Dems polled are acting like they are setting out from the beginning with a list of people who have their party affiliation known before the call is made, when that simply isn't the case.

The tape is not definitive yet MSNBC clearly labeled it as Ryan,Ryan chants?
fwiw I agree,I can't hear anything distictive(course I'm a bit deaf)

Of course there is the NYT reporter that reported it as Romney, Romney....but they are notoriously unreliable

Someone at MSNBC listening to the tape heard "Ryan, Ryan" and labeled it as such, misake? Maybe, doctored video? Hardly.

[RedskinsFan44]

http://www.politico.com/playbook/

Seth McLaughlin, from last night’s Romney funder at the Renaissance Hotel in Washington: “Bill Marriott, chairman … of Marriott [International], introduced Romney. Marriott shared stories about how they have been family friends for decades. This is one of his tales:

“‘Both Mitt and I have summer places up in New Hampshire on Lake Winnipesaukee. And a few summers ago I was taking my grandchildren and children to town in the boat for ice cream. And we got into the docks and they were all full and I looked around, there was no place to park, so we stopped at the end of a dock. They all jumped off and ran up the dock. And I realized there was nobody in the boat to help me dock the boat, handle the ropes, do anything – they just left me out there at sea. So I finally found a place to park after about 20 minutes, and I pulled in, I said, ‘Who’s going to grab the rope?,’ and I looked up and there was Mitt Romney. So he pulled me in, he tied up the boat for me. He rescued me just as he’s going to rescue this great country.’”

I bet he had an ice cream cone in his hand.

Romney paying 4:1 now:
http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/po...ace-e212304268

[JimboDaMan]

I'm glad you agree making it even by party ID is wrong, but what would be the proper ratio?....should it be judged/weighted from previous exit polls ?
most adjust for a number of things that relate to party voting patterns (age,sex,race ect)

The tape is not definitive yet MSNBC clearly labeled it as Ryan,Ryan chants?
fwiw I agree,I can't hear anything distictive(course I'm a bit deaf)

Of course there is the NYT reporter that reported it as Romney, Romney....but they are notoriously unreliable

Not definitive? The tape I heard on MSNBC was quite distinctly a "Ryan!Ryan!" chant. Nothing confused about it. If MSNBC doctored the tape by piping in the word "Ryan" when the crowd said "Romney" that would be inexcusable. But we have no evidence that took place. As others have said, it's possible both chants were going on at the same time, and it might depend on where in the audience you were. Certainly it would be perfectly normal for the Ryan chant to start at that time. It would be exceedingly strange to edit the tape over something as ultimately meaningless as this, but I would agree that if MSNBC spliced in a different tape to fake a Ryan chant that would be a horrific abuse. So far we have no evidence that this took place.

It's not like anybody needs to invent awkward white guy moments for Mitt Romney. I wonder what his vertical leap is?

[Jumbo]

All I'm going to say right now is, as a generality, everyone needs to try to stay more on topic and less on your reviews of each others posting "style" for awhile.

On a more specific note, I think ya'all ought to be more gentle with twa. As a regularly posting conservative, he's an endangered species in these parts.

While I don't hold the non-conservatives who post here as a valid excuse for the current, and recently increased, lesser number of conservatives (my thoughts on that are of a somewhat harsh nature that I won't discuss right now ), it does lessen the diversity we seek in the forum (with--sometimes reluctant--acceptance of typical demographic ratios found in most populations).

[chipwhich]

Not definitive? The tape I heard on MSNBC was quite distinctly a "Ryan!Ryan!" chant. Nothing confused about it. If MSNBC doctored the tape by piping in the word "Ryan" when the crowd said "Romney" that would be inexcusable. But we have no evidence that took place. As others have said, it's possible both chants were going on at the same time, and it might depend on where in the audience you were. Certainly it would be perfectly normal for the Ryan chant to start at that time. It would be exceedingly strange to edit the tape over something as ultimately meaningless as this, but I would agree that if MSNBC spliced in a different tape to fake a Ryan chant that would be a horrific abuse. So far we have no evidence that this took place.

It's not like anybody needs to invent awkward white guy moments for Mitt Romney. I wonder what his vertical leap is?

It's really scary when you guys on this board get scammed by a BS faked video MSNBC puts out.

[GSF]

Jumbo is right. My apologies TWA...

[RedskinsFan44]

is your quote missing this for some reason?

"to even out party identification."

If Wallace thinks weighing is uncommon his research sucks

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wal...-is-craziness/

Listen for yourself, I do not hear "to even out party identification". You will be pleased to hear him talk about media bias.
You weigh for demographics.

[twa]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wal...-is-craziness/

Listen for yourself, I do not hear "to even out party identification". You will be pleased to hear him talk about media bias.
You weigh for demographics.

You're right, it wasn't there ...mea culpa ,I screwed up reading a transcript

[Larry]

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