Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[stevemcqueen1]

You lost me at
government has little control over the economy

ROTFLMAO

You seriously think it does?

[Hersh]

easily possible to do, which ones is the tough part (which is the reason he ain't sharing)

he did propose a cap for personal deductions of 17k which is somewhat specific

the notion is removing some of the patchwork deductions will remove some uncertainty

It's my understanding that their aren't enough deductions in the upper income level to offset the tax cut. Remember, Romney has already taken a few deductions off the table. Will the middle class see a reduction in deductions?

[twa]

. Will the middle class see a reduction in deductions?

if they are over a 17k cap shouldn't they be?

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 12:37 PM ----------

You seriously think it does?

I've run a business for decades....they control more than a little of me(for now)
if they control business,then they clearly control a large part of the economy

it is rapidly approaching the point they are the economy

[Wrong Direction]

If you want to create jobs, can the "tax cuts for job creators" crap, enact 40% corporate and top marginal, 50% capital gains tax, impose a 75% capital FLIGHT tax so the butthurt "job creators" don't go to China (and ban them from selling products in this country if they do anyway), repeal taft-harley and make it illegal to fire strikers, and slap a financial transactions tax. Then use that money to fix infrastructure and public services, and restaff underfunded agencies, and fill the coffers of state governments. Sucking CEO **** and praying to the Free Market gods has brought us nothing but financial crisis and stagnating wages.

In the 8th year of the next great depression, please make sure the government offers both chedder and american cheese. If I'm going to eat government cheese, I want at least one between two different cheeses, and gouda isn't very good on a government ham sandwich.

[Hersh]

if they are over a 17k cap shouldn't they be?

I'm in favor of getting rid of just about all deductions, but for the purposes of Romney's proposal, floating something and giving specifics aren't the same. I haven't seen anything to suggest he would cap middle class deductions or how those numbers would add up. Noble effort on your part given the lack of clarity from Romney/Ryan.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

In the 8th year of the next great depression, please make sure the government offers both chedder and american cheese. If I'm going to eat government cheese, I want at least one between two different cheeses, and gouda isn't very good on a government ham sandwich.

Right, because doing exactly the opposite didn't cause the *current* great depression.

Also we had 40 years of a far more punitive tax and spend regime, and we went from a borderline failed state to the strongest country in history, with the strongest middle class in history. No matter how much you quote talking points from free market shills, history shows that high taxes = jobs and strong middle class, and low taxes (or high tax evasion by the rich, see Greece) = catastrophe.

[twa]

I'm in favor of getting rid of just about all deductions.

I am as well, they just enable govt directing actions.

I work with what is available

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 12:54 PM ----------

Actually

enjoy your world
(Shakes head and walks away)

[stevemcqueen1]

I've run a business for decades....they control more than a little of me(for now)
if they control business,then they clearly control a large part of the economy

it is rapidly approaching the point they are the economy

Control by some sort of uniquely objectionable regulation? Regulation that would be otherwise objectionable according to social norms (i.e., don't secretly put poison in the product you sell).

Frankly, I'm pretty surprised to see a conservative who votes Republican like you thinks the government has marked control over the economy on a macro level. I thought the opposite was a sort of self evident position for conservatives.

[Predicto]

Frankly, I'm pretty surprised to see a conservative who votes Republican like you thinks the government has marked control over the economy on a macro level. I thought the opposite was a sort of self evident position for conservatives.

twa is kind of like Romney, in that he doesn't really have any set positions.

But instead of changing his position to agree with his current audience like Romney does, twa automatically says whatever is the exact opposite of what was said by the last Democrat to post in the thread.

[twa]

or Dems simply switch metrics

somehow we went from Little control to Macro, but then details have never mattered to libs

[NLC1054]

I've run a business for decades....they control more than a little of me(for now)
if they control business,then they clearly control a large part of the economy

it is rapidly approaching the point they are the economy

How much does your business typically pay in taxes, and what profit do you usually take from said business?

[GSF]

if they are over a 17k cap shouldn't they be?

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I've run a business for decades....they control more than a little of me(for now)
if they control business,then they clearly control a large part of the economy

it is rapidly approaching the point they are the economy

What kind of business do you own? I have been a business owner for 4 years now, and I have not had that experience at all. The government has not really hurt or helped my business. It certainly doesn't have any control over it.

[NLC1054]

What kind of business do you own? I have been a business owner for 4 years now, and I have not had that experience at all. The government has really hurt or helped my business. It certainly doesn't have any control over it.

Do you mean "really" or "rarely"?

[twa]

How much does your business typically pay in taxes, and what profit do you usually take from said business?

That's between me and my slave master, but it is probably safe to say it pays more in taxes than I take from it.

[NLC1054]

That's between me and my slave master, but it is probably safe to say it pays more in taxes than I take from it.

No, it's not really safe to say that without knowing 1.) what kind of business you're in and 2.) the numbers.

I'd take it from your posts that it's a business that serves customers of some kind. Is that wrong? Right?