Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Larry]

OKAY: LARRY is correct there are a LOT of details in the Bill proposed but not yet passed. And Not all of them made it into the bill, and some did that we didn't know of.
And some are still being edited.

Wow. An even bigger whopper.

Please, let us in on how a piece of legislation which was passed two years ago, is "still being edited".

I'd love to see the spin on that one.

[twa]

That is certainly a legitimate policy question. One that voters and politicians at all levels wrestle with.

Situation: drowning in debt. Need to reduce spending and boost revenues to reduce said debt. Is it OK to require those who have money to increase their share of the burden by X amount of dollars?

"where does it end" adds nothing to that discussion.

It is a fundamental of the discussion when spending and debt continue with no end in sight and even a reduction in the growth of it raises objections as extreme.

Simply taking more to give to others to spend adds nothing, and will cause contraction.

[China]

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[skinsfan_1215]

See, to me this is exactly "redistribution of wealth", and that is not right. He did earn his money, and if he wants it to sit in an account that is his business AND his right.
I have no problem in asking the wealthy to pay an equal rate, and i have no problem in letting their tax benefits expire.

The idea you're putting forth in this post is exacly the thing the right fears, and frankly, correctly. That's the "handout culture" they're trying to paint us a picture of already. No sense helping it along by actually espousing it.


Paying taxes is not about encouraging handouts, although that is the message the rich are trying to get people to swallow.
It's about everyone pulling their fair share, and doing what's best for the country.
But in writing things and believing things in that regard, you make their job to easy for them.

~BAng

No it's really not. I'm not talking about literally taking money away from him and giving it to 15 poor people.

You have taxes. They have to come from somewhere. And I'd rather have that $15k coming out of his pocket than an extra $1k coming out of a lower/lower-middle family's pocket.

To go further a step further... in 10 years I will likely be in the top 5% tax bracket. I would rather than 15k come out of my pocket than $1k out of the pockets of my wife's mom, her dad, and 13 of their neighbors (every single one of whom is likely voting for Romney).

[Hersh]

This is pure speculation which assumes that Mitt and the R's learned nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan about either 1) the nature of those wars, 2) the state of American public opinion or 3) our national debt.

The National debt would never stop a Republican from going to war. That's laughable. As far as Mitt learning nothing, he was the one that said we had to defeat the taliban before leaving. His words, not mine.

[brandymac27]

10% flat tax with a poverty level personal deduction

How can you be so sure a flat tax rate is really the way to go? I think there are too many negatives associated with a flat tax rate, especially if you consider it does more to increase income inequality. I don't think it's a sensible solution.

[Thiebear]

Edit: Hersh: From the President: We would remain in the country during the Summer fighting season “to make sure that the Taliban understand that they’re not going to be able to regain momentum.

do we think the President will allow the Taliban to regain momentum?

[twa]

How can you be so sure a flat tax rate is really the way to go? I think there are too many negatives associated with a flat tax rate, especially if you consider it does more to increase income inequality. I don't think it's a sensible solution.

I have no problem with income inequality...it is a good thing and a fundamental of capitalism
IF you are worried about accumulation of wealth over the long term it is better addressed thru inheritance laws

[Hersh]

Edit: Hersh: From the President: We would remain in the country during the Summer fighting season “to make sure that the Taliban understand that they’re not going to be able to regain momentum.

do we think the President will allow the Taliban to regain momentum?

There is a difference between that and saying we have to kill all the taliban and must not negotiate with them. No?

[Predicto]

Please feel free to keep pointing at one Nancy Pelosi sentence, in which she states that the normal procedure for Congress to pass all complicated legislation, is for both houses to pass not-quite-identical bills, and send the two bills to a special reconciliation committee, which then has the power to resolve minor differences between the two versions, and trying to claim that this one sentence somehow proves that over a year of negotiations and discussions and theatrics and politics never happened, and that the entire bill was done completely in secret, that in fact, it's still secret, even after it's been passed.

This is the simple truth. The relentless talking point about the secret passage of Obamacare is completely and utterly dishonest.

[Larry]

IF you are worried about accumulation of wealth over the long term it is better addressed thru inheritance laws

You mean the ones which Romney has promised to completely eliminate?

[brandymac27]

I have no problem with income inequality...it is a good thing and a fundamental of capitalism
IF you are worried about accumulation of wealth over the long term it is better addressed thru inheritance laws

http://www.nber.org/reporter/spring03/health.html

[Predicto]

Oh for God's sake.

Onboard the Romney plane: Jerome Corsi

Comments (60) By DYLAN BYERS | 10/17/12 4:39 PM EDT

Jerome Corsi, the political writer and conspiracy theorist, is traveling with the Mitt Romney press corps today.

Corsi, 66, writes for World Net Daily and is the author of several anti-Obama books, including Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President.

Asked why he was traveling with the Romney campaign, Corsi told POLITICO, "I am a Senior Staff Reporter for WND covering the campaign."

In recent months, Corsi has argued that President Obama may be gay or bisexual and that his wedding ring bears the Islamic declaration of faith, “There is no god except Allah.” In 2004, Corsi wrote the controversial Unfit for Command: Swift boat veterans speak out against John Kerry, which was criticized for factual inaccuracies. Per The Guardian, U.S. news outlets "have accused Corsi of being anti-Islamic, anti-Catholic, anti-semitic and homophobic, and of exploiting racial prejudices in an attempt to 'scare white America.'"

Romney campain press secretary Andrea Saul did not respond to a request for comment.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...si-138800.html

[skinsfan_1215]

Oh for God's sake.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...si-138800.html

Romney is doing an impressive job firing up his base while simultaneously appealing to independents. Debates he moves hard center, campaign trail he goes straight back to the right.

[skinsfan_1215]

That's not moving back to the right. That's moving back to bizzaro land.

I don't understand the difference...