Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[twa]

TWA, I'm reposting this b/c it looks like you might have missed it. Coud you please explain how the government controls your business?

You mean how they control me and thru me my business?

Permits,fees,taxes,zoning, as well as regulating the products I can buy or use and dispose of.
Who I can hire,fire w/o cost/risk and even how access is set up,what signs/type allowed....and of course safety and fire prevention measures ,mandated training and certification,required equipment.
Reporting requirements for purchases,property and waste(for tax and simply monitoring purposes)
Yearly inspections from numerous agencies....I can go on,but this is boring

Reporting and banking regs,


maybe I need to go in the landscape business

[SteveFromYellowstone]

You mean how they control me and thru me my business?

Permits,fees,taxes,zoning, as well as regulating the products I can buy or use and dispose of.
Who I can hire,fire w/o cost/risk and even how access is set up,what signs/type allowed....and of course safety and fire prevention measures ,mandated training and certification,required equipment.
Reporting requirements for purchases,property and waste(for tax and simply monitoring purposes)
Yearly inspections from numerous agencies....I can go on,but this is boring

Reporting and banking regs,


maybe I need to go in the landscape business

So in your eyes we would be better off if the government didn't require any of the things you listed?

[Predicto]

So in your eyes we would be better off if the government didn't require any of the things you listed?

Well, he certainly was better off before Obama imposed all of those things in the past 4 years. What is really amazing is how Obama managed to get Texas and Harris County to do those awful things, since 90 percent of the things twa listed are state and local regulations.

[twa]

What was the question again Predicto?(hint, govt post 5518)

Funny that you ignore many state and local ones result from federal....even here in business friendly Texas
and in the EPA's case in lieu of, though I do deal with them as well

---------- Post added October-18th-2012 at 05:39 PM ----------

So in your eyes we would be better off if the government didn't require any of the things you listed?

I think we need more.....that will give me more incentive to leave this **** in ya'lls capable hands

[Larry]

What was the question again Predicto?

Funny that you ignore many state and local ones result from federal....even here in business friendly Texas
and in the EPA's case in lieu of, though I do deal with them as well

Wow, I love it.

Predicto points out what an absolute joke it would be, to try to claim that Obama is forcing your red-state government to do all those things.

And you claim it's true?

[twa]

Wow, I love it.

Predicto points out what an absolute joke it would be, to try to claim that Obama is forcing your red-state government to do all those things.

And you claim it's true?

it helps to both know what I was asked and what you are talking about

just a helpful hint, I'd add not creating quotes out of thin air but I'm trying to be nice

[goldbean]

Romney was asked about tax deductions, I took notes. He picked a number "$25,000" whatever.

Then he said "No tax on savings." Jeez, Mitt, that's mighty generous of you in a country with a negative savings rate and a paltry interest rate on any saving account. Then no taxes on mutual funds. It's a nice smokescreen to, once again, just benefit the wealthy.

If one is concerned about a negative savings rate, one should understand that eliminating taxes on savings would encourage more saving. And one familiar with the liberal (ab)use of personal bankruptcy laws by citizens addicted to consumption and personal debt would understand that encouraging more saving is good policy...regardless of politics.

[GSF]

if they are over a 17k cap shouldn't they be?

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 12:37 PM ----------



I've run a business for decades....they control more than a little of me(for now)
if they control business,then they clearly control a large part of the economy

it is rapidly approaching the point they are the economy

What kind of business do you own? I have been a business owner for 4 years now, and I have not had that experience at all. The government has not really hurt or helped my business. It certainly doesn't have any control over it.

You mean how they control me and thru me my business?

Permits,fees,taxes,zoning, as well as regulating the products I can buy or use and dispose of.
Who I can hire,fire w/o cost/risk and even how access is set up,what signs/type allowed....and of course safety and fire prevention measures ,mandated training and certification,required equipment.
Reporting requirements for purchases,property and waste(for tax and simply monitoring purposes)
Yearly inspections from numerous agencies....I can go on,but this is boring

Reporting and banking regs,


maybe I need to go in the landscape business

What kind of business do you own? Please provide me 1 specific example how the government has controlled your business.

Your vague examples here are a little like saying the government is trying to control my life by telling me I have to drive under speed limit.

There's a big difference between trying to control someone, and trying to prevent someone from doing something that could harm someone else.

There are plenty of regulations in the landscape business. I have to pass strict exams to maintain my pesticide applicators license to be able to apply pesticides, but that doesn't control my business. I have to have commercial insurances for my vehicles and equipment. None of this "controls" my business or prevents me from making money. It just ensures that I know what I'm doing and I don't endanger other people.

I have found that the government stays out of the way for most types of businesses. Of course if you want to go drilling for oil, you're going to have to deal with the governement, but that's a good thing imo, though I know you would prefer for big oil companies to be able to do whatever they want without regulation. I just don't think that would be a good thing for us in the long run for obvious reasons.

So please, I ask again, what business are you in, and how specifically does the government try to control your business?

Oh and btw, landscaping might not sound to glamorous to many I'm sure, but there is plenty of money to be made if you know what you're doing and aren't afraid of hard work.

[twa]

auto collision repair and restorations

not knocking the landscaping business, a couple friends have them

the question of govt control was from a poster asserting they have little control...I beg to differ, they both direct and influence me in mine more than a little

endanger other people has a rather wide meaning in their case to encompass anything from smoking in my office to VOC limits of products to what size the doors are....but maybe I'm oversensitive to the hundreds of little pricks

[Hersh]

THE President said the Taliban will not get a foothold back... (that doesn't sound like negotiation either), and Drones kill lots of terrorist every day it seems.

There were some negotiations and there has been a steady effort to get the taliban to negotiate. Mitt wasn't for that.

---------- Post added October-19th-2012 at 01:11 AM ----------

What kind of business do you own? Please provide me 1 specific example how the government has controlled your business.

Your vague examples here are a little like saying the government is trying to control my life by telling me I have to drive under speed limit.

There's a big difference between trying to control someone, and trying to prevent someone from doing something that could harm someone else.

There are plenty of regulations in the landscape business. I have to pass strict exams to maintain my pesticide applicators license to be able to apply pesticides, but that doesn't control my business. I have to have commercial insurances for my vehicles and equipment. None of this "controls" my business or prevents me from making money. It just ensures that I know what I'm doing and I don't endanger other people.

I have found that the government stays out of the way for most types of businesses. Of course if you want to go drilling for oil, you're going to have to deal with the governement, but that's a good thing imo, though I know you would prefer for big oil companies to be able to do whatever they want without regulation. I just don't think that would be a good thing for us in the long run for obvious reasons.

So please, I ask again, what business are you in, and how specifically does the government try to control your business?

Oh and btw, landscaping might not sound to glamorous to many I'm sure, but there is plenty of money to be made if you know what you're doing and aren't afraid of hard work.

I'm going defend twa here (then have myself submitted for drug testing)

There was a great piece on regulations (I thought it was 60 minutes in the last couple minutes but can't find it now) and how much paperwork this guy was doing at his auto body paint shop for the city, county, state, federal, etc. much of it overlapping. He was complying with everything but do to the paper work he spent very little time doing much else but making sure he was getting all the proper paper work in order, making sure everything was properly disposed of, etc. It seemed reason to think that the county, city, state could at least steam line things so it's one form for everybody rather than different paperwork for the same thing. Hope that makes sense.

[visionary]

There were some negotiations and there has been a steady effort to get the taliban to negotiate. Mitt wasn't for that.

Not that I really agree with Romney, because I don't know that there's much more we can do in Afghanistan, (at least not without more local support) but I don't think most of the Taliban can be negotiated with. They've made that pretty clear by killing negotiaters and being fairy vocal of their disdain for anything other than dominating Afghanistan's future.

[twa]

I'm going defend twa here (then have myself submitted for drug testing)
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If they give ya some good ones let me know

What you mention is part of it,my main issue is most are just bureaucratic make busy stuff with little or no benefit...mounds of paperwork and records no one does more than glance at
Requiring someone who has done this work forever to take a respirator certification class for example is ****ing asinine...as is the class
but it gets them another fee and check on their ever growing lists.

[Hersh]

Not that I really agree with Romney, because I don't know that there's much more we can do in Afghanistan, (at least not without more local support) but I don't think most of the Taliban can be negotiated with. They've made that pretty clear by killing negotiaters and being fairy vocal of their disdain for anything other than dominating Afghanistan's future.

Agreed, but it's also less than realistic to have a policy of killing all the Taliban which Romney had said during the Republican primary.

[visionary]

Agreed, but it's also less than realistic to have a policy of killing all the Taliban which Romney had said during the Republican primary.

Yeah, his policy was like something you'd expect from a caveman...or the Incredible Hulk.
Although maybe he has some other ideas he hasn't shared yet.
I mean other than whining about Obama apologizing or not hugging Israel tight enough.

[GSF]

If they give ya some good ones let me know

What you mention is part of it,my main issue is most are just bureaucratic make busy stuff with little or no benefit...mounds of paperwork and records no one does more than glance at
Requiring someone who has done this work forever to take a respirator certification class for example is ****ing asinine...as is the class
but it gets them another fee and check on their ever growing lists.

Thanks for your replies. I did not know you had to do that much paperwork in your line of work. I have to keep logs on all of my applications, but it doesn't take up so much of my time that it keeps me away from doing other important things like Hersh was talking about.