Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[deejaydana]

It was a SINGLE person that had no connection to the campaing and isn't clear said persons actions were supported by ANY organization.

Are you REALLY comparing that to a essentially a the actions of WHOLE political party?

It was more than a single person but I believe what irks people about the BPP is the selective nature of the DOJ's chasing down racism. It sure has seemed inconsistent at best.

[JimboDaMan]

It was more than a single person but I believe what irks people about the BPP is the selective nature of the DOJ's chasing down racism. It sure has seemed inconsistent at best.

1. Is racism illegal?
2. Did you see racism in the video of the Black Panther?
3. Please list the victims of that terrible incident.
4. Where were the other guys with billy clubs hiding?
5. And again - what does this have to do with Barack Obama or the current election?

[Larry]

And how about Obama crediting Romney for saying let Detroit or GM fail when it was in fact the NYTimes who penned that line?

Really? Mitt didn't say that? He didn't, in fact, write an entire op-ed piece where that was the sole topic of the piece?

Dang, you should tell Mitt Romney that he never said that.

Cause here's two (of several) YouTube videos of Mitt Romney, not only saying that he said that, but trying to claim that he was right.





But please, tell us all which right-wing, wholesale Kool-Aid vendor it was who told you (but not, apparently, Mitt) that he never said it.

---------- Post added October-31st-2012 at 02:23 PM ----------

Just love the feigned outrage at Romney when the Panthers and their billy clubs were spun away and eventually never punished.

Still trying to justify the Romney campaign printing written instructions to their workers on how to suppress the vote, by pointing at one person (note: Notice your claim? The words "Panthers" and "clubs" with the "s" on the end of them? Those are called "plurals", and they are supposed to be used when there is more than one.), who had no official connection with any campaign, aren't you?

[deejaydana]

I feel like with SO many other issues, a desparate Obama campaign is simply trying to mine whatever they can to keep their sinking ship relevant. A compliant media is trying their level best to bury the Benghazi story (which may or may not be a story some significance) but were Bush in power you better believe it would be a 20 pt font front page story with the NYTimes and like minded outlets. Romney still offered the best advice for GM and Detroit and yes, the NY Times and Obama in his debate, offered laughably false narratives. Maybe we can all root for team O so the rest of the nation can resemble the thriving metropolis that's modern day Detroit.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I feel like with SO many other issues, a desparate Obama campaign is simply trying to mine whatever they can to keep their sinking ship relevant. A compliant media is trying their level best to bury the Benghazi story (which may or may not be a story some significance) but were Bush in power you better believe it would be a 20 pt font front page story with the NYTimes and like minded outlets. Romney still offered the best advice for GM and Detroit and yes, the NY Times and Obama in his debate, offered laughably false narratives. Maybe we can all root for team O so the rest of the nation can resemble the thriving metropolis that's modern day Detroit.

Apparently, you missed Larry's post.

[Monte51Coleman]

The Obama campaign is now a "sinking ship"?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I feel like with SO many other issues, a desparate Obama campaign is simply trying to mine whatever they can to keep their sinking ship relevant. A compliant media is trying their level best to bury the Benghazi story (which may or may not be a story some significance) but were Bush in power you better believe it would be a 20 pt font front page story with the NYTimes and like minded outlets. Romney still offered the best advice for GM and Detroit and yes, the NY Times and Obama in his debate, offered laughably false narratives. Maybe we can all root for team O so the rest of the nation can resemble the thriving metropolis that's modern day Detroit.

How did you get to this?

Let's be totally honest about this whole detroit/bankrupt thing. Romney said Detroit should go through a managed bankruptcy and not get federal funding. He said if they got federal funding, the money would be lost and the company would fold. Romney was wrong on both of those accounts. Romney is absolutely wrong that what he said should have happened is what actually happened.

And what Romney was really wrong about was the idea that anyone was going to give detroit the credit they needed to get through bankruptcy. If a private bank was going to loan GM and Chrysler money to go through bankruptcy, that would have happened. The reason we had a "bailout" was because no bank was lending credit at that time. And if Detroit went through a "managed bankruptcy" at that time, it would have ended up as a liquidation because they would not have gotten the credit they needed to manage.

While its true that Romney did not mean he wanted to Detroit to go into liquidiation, its also true that Romney was dead wrong about Detroit. And its also true that whatever he wanted to happen with this mythical managed bankruptcy that no one was taking on, it WOULD HAVE ended in liquidation if we did what Romney called for.

[alexey]

I feel like with SO many other issues, a desparate Obama campaign is simply trying to mine whatever they can to keep their sinking ship relevant. A compliant media is trying their level best to bury the Benghazi story (which may or may not be a story some significance) but were Bush in power you better believe it would be 20 pt font front page story with the NYTimes and like minded outlets.

You will find frustration about the media on both sides. Tons of huge blunders were made when Bush was in power and the supposedly "liberal media" did surprisingly little about them. How many front page stories did the NYTimes do about Bengazi and how many about Bush starting a war under false pretenses?

What you call the "mainstream media" should be called the "corporate media" instead. Its primary purpose is to make money. Money comes from selling publications, selling advertisements, and selling messages.

[deejaydana]

How did you get to this?

Let's be totally honest about this whole detroit/bankrupt thing. Romney said Detroit should go through a managed bankruptcy and not get federal funding. He said if they got federal funding, the money would be lost and the company would fold. Romney was wrong on both of those accounts. Romney is absolutely wrong that what he said should have happened is what actually happened.

And what Romney was really wrong about was the idea that anyone was going to give detroit the credit they needed to get through bankruptcy. If a private bank was going to loan GM and Chrysler money to go through bankruptcy, that would have happened. The reason we had a "bailout" was because no bank was lending credit at that time. And if Detroit went through a "managed bankruptcy" at that time, it would have ended up as a liquidation because they would not have gotten the credit they needed to manage.

While its true that Romney did not mean he wanted to Detroit to go into liquidiation, its also true that Romney was dead wrong about Detroit. And its also true that whatever he wanted to happen with this mythical managed bankruptcy that no one was taking on, it WOULD HAVE ended in liquidation if we did what Romney called for.

This is not true at all. Look at Ford Motor Company which declined the funds and is already in better shape than a still diseased GM. Look, we can debate the merits of each path ad nasuem but the line that our entire motor industry would have crated and never come back defies any kind of logic. From my perspective it was a simple pay back from Obama to the Unions. Of course he's now going to use it to bolster his attempted re-election because why wouldn't he? It doesn't mean it was the wisest long term deal for the industry and for GM and of course, for the taxpayers like us who had no say in the matter.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

This is not true at all. Look at Ford Motor Company which declined the funds and is already in better shape than a still diseased GM. Look, we can debate the merits of each path ad nasuem but the line that our entire motor industry would have crated and never come back defies any kind of logic.

What is not true?

Ford was not as bad as GM or Chrysler before the problem started.

But tell me, what that I just said is not true?

---------- Post added October-31st-2012 at 03:01 PM ----------

Here you go:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/08/news...lout/index.htm

Other supporters of the bailouts, and even some critics of them, say that Romney deserves no credit for the turnaround, given that he opposed the federal bailout that kept the companies alive during the bankruptcy process. Without that $81 billion in funding, the companies would have been forced to go out of business and liquidate, according to those experts.

"There was no way they could get financing," said Conway. "They were burning money so fast, with no end in site, that no one but the government was going to give them money."
Time for U.S. to cash out of GM?

Steve Rattner, who served as the car czar for the Obama administration, has repeatedly said that the government was the only source of financing to keep the automakers alive through bankruptcy.
Rattner said in a recent New York Times opinion piece that he "spoke diligently to all conceivable providers of funds, and not one had the slightest interest in financing those companies on any terms."
"If Mr. Romney disagrees, he should come forward with specific names of willing investors in place of empty rhetoric," he added. "I predict that he won't be able to, because there aren't any."

While Rattner is a long-time Democratic supporter, his view is echoed by some conservative executives in the auto industry, among them Bob Lutz, who was then vice chairman of GM.
"He thinks we didn't try to borrow money from the banks," Lutz told the Detroit Free Press in February. "The banks were even more broke than we were. Who had the money?"

What I said was dead on accurate. And 100% true. The point of the bailout was to get them through managed bankruptcy and avoid liquidation because they had no access to credit during the worst banking crisis of the last 100 years.

[deejaydana]

The Obama campaign is now a "sinking ship"?

Well, the metrics already look really bad in some key states but I always take these polls with a grain of salt. Obama in 2008: when you don't have a record to stand on you make a large election about small things. It only took him 4 years to make everything he touches in this election about small things. I'm still eyeing my Five Dimes account to see if I can win some $$$ on Obama's loss next week but I don't want to get ahead of myself. Last I read he's polling pretty far behind with Independents nationally and we all know that's where this contest will matter.

[Monte51Coleman]

I'm still eyeing my Five Dimes account to see if I can win some $$$ on Obama's loss next week.

Save that money.

It'll be bad enough that your man lost the election. Why compound the pain?

[alexey]

What happens when Romney the business man comes in conflict with Romney the public servant?

What is it that Romney has done before and what will he do again?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Well, the metrics already look really bad in some key states but I always take these polls with a grain of salt. Obama in 2008: when you don't have a record to stand on you make a large election about small things. It only took him 4 years to make everything he touches in this election about small things. I'm still eyeing my Five Dimes account to see if I can win some $$$ on Obama's loss next week but I don't want to get ahead of myself. Last I read he's polling pretty far behind with Independents nationally and we all know that's where this contest will matter.

What metrics?

I don't know who's going to win this election, but it seems like Romney supporters are 100% convinced he's got this in the bag. At the same time, every statisical analysis I've seen says that Obama is a clear favorite? I'm just curious what you are looking at?

[deejaydana]

What metrics?

I don't know who's going to win this election, but it seems like Romney supporters are 100% convinced he's got this in the bag. At the same time, every statisical analysis I've seen says that Obama is a clear favorite? I'm just curious what you are looking at?

I'm not 100% convinced as I'm not a strong backer of Romney and I still believe this election could go either way but their are many historical elements working against Obama this year. The economy is going to be THE MAIN driver for most voters. This won't change and the fact of the matter is we're still in a world of hurt.