Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Bang]

When was the last time a platform was executed?

That's a pretty poor reason to give me to vote for him.
As it is, i haven't said who i would vote for,, just that i won't vote for them.
(And for that, as it's probably easily guessed, I do plan to vote for O again. But I'm not voting straight D across the board. I also happen to like what Independent Rob Sobhani has said here in Maryland. I especially like that he not only has the business savvy, but he's also ponied up his own money to run this race.. he hasn't got the obvious puppeteers. I'll be voting for him for my senator.)

Besides,, history shows that when people put in writing what they plan to do with you if they get the chance, it behooves us to listen when it is as objectionable as that platform.
Whether or not they fail to implement it, I'm not going to give them a vote that may give them the chance to try.

~Bang

[AJ*]

The article wasn't written by the daily beast, it was written by that left wing puppet David Stockman, OMB director and architect of the Reagan revolution. Also a successful business man and REPUBLICAN congressman.

And its not an article at all, its an excerpt from Stockman's book.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Defo...&linkCode=as2&

Apparently he missed the part where I said those words came from Reagan's budget director.

[Larry]

No there is a revenue shortage because the economy sucks.

Taxes don't drive revenue, the economy drives revenue.

Now I'll certainly agree that the economy is a big part for our current record-low revenues. (IMO, the biggest part. By a good margin.) But it's certainly not the entire reason.

Revenues since 1990:



Really took a hit, from 2000-04, didn't they? And then made it back to average, after that.

I know, I know. Bush's tax cuts have nothing to do with that. Because lots of Republicans say so. Often and repeatedly.

Let's look at a longer time line: (Note: The vertical axis doesn't start at zero, which greatly magnifies small differences.)



Again, if you assert that the economy is the only thing that affects revenue, then the economy has pretty much sucked since 2000. Looking at that chart, (and your claim), and the level of the drop, and you would have to assert that the economy took a bigger hit, in 2000, than it did in 08?

Do you really want to try to say that the economy was worse, in W's first term, than it's been under Obama?

Or would you rather admit that maybe there was something else that happened, in W's first term, that also caused revenues to fall?

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And, as long as I'm throwing revenue charts out there, some others, for the same time period:

"Social Insurance" taxes: SS, Medicare, and similar taxes, which are paid by every single citizen who earns income, on every dollar they earn, except for those who earn Big Money. Pretty much "the bottom 95%" taxpayers.

(Note: I'm using the word "earned" in the taxation sense: People who are paid a salary. Not as a value judgement as to whether one person or another deserves his income.

Personal income taxes. (Which I assume includes Capital Gains, but I'm unable to specifically verify that.)



Took big drops in 80, and in 2000. But I observe that they didn't drop to record lows. Rather, they fell from levels that were well above average, down to average.

And Corporate income taxes.



(Tried to make the last few charts "clickable", if people want to check out various data.)

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[Obama] said it's bad when companies make profits . . .

Link?

. . . when companies making profits actually help people with employment and increased hiring.

Link?

[Hersh]

George W was no moderate. Go back and look at his 2000 platform. Not a moderate. Gore was the moderate (aside from Global Warming).

So what was W? Far right?

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How about being so moderate that as a GOP governor he signed RomneyCare into law. How is that not displaying a knock to handle Congress?

You are the perfect Romney voter because neither you nor Romney deals with reality or facts. You cherry pick information without context and you say platforms and ideas don't matter which allows you pretend that the policies Mitt has championed this year are something other than far right wing policies. This is a pattern with Romney supporters. Very few acknowledge facts regarding Romney.

[LadySkinsFan]

This is a pretty ignorant statement. Go back and look at what's made Romney, Romney. He'd be perfect as President. He's an uber manager.

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Look up his career. it will take 20 minutes. It will be good for you.

He's good at buying companies and saddling them with debt, with firing workers and outsourcing jobs to foreign countries, with foisting off pensions to the taxpayers. Yeah, he's really good at spending other people's money, with turning workers out and losing jobs, and making taxpayers pay thus increasing our taxes. He's dedicated to reducing taxes for the 1% and making the rest of us pay more taxes by closing OUR loopholes while I'm sure he'll leave loopholes available to only the 1%ers and corporations, you know the ones who are people too.

The entire GOP are anathema: the rabid right wing and the moderates who let them take control of a once vaunted political party.

[Barney B]

You are the perfect Romney voter because neither you nor Romney deals with reality or facts. You cherry pick information without context and you say platforms and ideas don't matter which allows you pretend that the policies Mitt has championed this year are something other than far right wing policies. This is a pattern with Romney supporters. Very few acknowledge facts regarding Romney.

It sure seems to be a pattern with his supporters on this board. Over the last couple of months, Larry has posted countless charts and graphs to support statements of fact in regards to the economy. The response is to hand-wave them away or to outright ignore them, while repeating the party line over and over.

Romney gets credit for his supposedly brilliant management acumen, it gets refuted by a genuine conservative hero, and it's all lies from a liberal source.

It's transcended empiricism and rationality. To these guys, it's a religion. You may as well be trying to convert them to Islam.

[Thiebear]

Its easier to ignore the crazy generalizations one side decides the others definition is, this week.

Not what his plan is with link and location: Just that they want to kill uterus'

[GibbsFactor]

So what was W? Far right?

His platform was true conservative.





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You are the perfect Romney voter because neither you nor Romney deals with reality or facts. You cherry pick information without context and you say platforms and ideas don't matter which allows you pretend that the policies Mitt has championed this year are something other than far right wing policies. This is a pattern with Romney supporters. Very few acknowledge facts regarding Romney.

I don't know about that. At the end of the day, my biggest issue is the economy. I place very little weight on the foreign affairs (which aren't even different) or the social issues. Medicare and SS reform is on hold for me too.

With that in mind, I have decided that Mitt Romney's resume best serves the issue.

[Prosperity]

So what was W? Far right?

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You are the perfect Romney voter because neither you nor Romney deals with reality or facts. You cherry pick information without context and you say platforms and ideas don't matter which allows you pretend that the policies Mitt has championed this year are something other than far right wing policies. This is a pattern with Romney supporters. Very few acknowledge facts regarding Romney.

Bush was a straight up conservative

Romney is an unprincipled man who pretended to be a moderate then later pretended to be a severe conservative and now is pretending to be a moderate again

[GibbsFactor]

He's good at buying companies and saddling them with debt, with firing workers and outsourcing jobs to foreign countries, with foisting off pensions to the taxpayers. Yeah, he's really good at spending other people's money, with turning workers out and losing jobs, and making taxpayers pay thus increasing our taxes. He's dedicated to reducing taxes for the 1% and making the rest of us pay more taxes by closing OUR loopholes while I'm sure he'll leave loopholes available to only the 1%ers and corporations, you know the ones who are people too.

The entire GOP are anathema: the rabid right wing and the moderates who let them take control of a once vaunted political party.

Hey, remember he wasn't initially GOP enough for the right.

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

No. Dumb would be voting for a lying, sack of ####, used car salesman like Romney.

Amen . . . Mitt Romney has no core values and has flip-flopped on every issue depending who he is speaking to.

[LadySkinsFan]

Hey, remember he wasn't initially GOP enough for the right.

Right, and he lied during the extended Republican Party primary run and he's lying now.

[Corcaigh]

So far today by 3pm I've received eight robo calls from RNC or supporting organizations (zero from Dems). All the calls were hiding their number on caller ID. Seriously, they can go **** themselves.

[visionary]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-...on-148372.html

Christie: I support Mitt; critics don't get the destruction

Chris Christie, under fire openly from Rush Limbaugh, Rupert Murdoch and more privately from Republican backers of Mitt Romney for praising President Obama's handling of Hurricane Sandy, reiterated his support for the GOPer, via Reuters:

"The fact of the matter is what New Jerseyans expect from their governor is to work for them, not to work for any particular political party," Christie told Israel's Channel 2 television in an interview broadcast on Sunday.

"I'm a Republican and I have endorsed Mitt Romney, I support him and I intend to vote for him on Tuesday," said Christie, interviewed in his home state by a visiting Israeli television reporter...

..."If the president of United States comes here and he's willing to help my people and he does it then I'm gonna say nice things about him because he's earned it."...

"Anybody who is upset in the Republican Party about this, they haven't been to New Jersey. Come see the destruction, come see the loss."

[Thiebear]

its not all about republicans, it was about the First Term
Though its been a brilliant campaign about Romney Romney Romney
Though at the end this board is going DailyKOS crazy.